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None of the public reports I have seen have suggested abobe asked for =
money for themselves. Instead they state that Abobe wanted Microsoft to =
charge extra to Microsoft customers for the ability to produce PDF files = so
as to not hurt adobe charging $449 for a copy of acrobat. See =
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_ADOBE_SPAT?SITE=3DAP&SEC=
TION=3DHOME&TEMPLATE=3DDEFAULT&CTIME=3D2006-06-02-17-43-17.
Rich
"Mark" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:4480d9c5$1@w3.nls.net...
From a strictly layman's perspective, it sounds like Adobe said you =
can't do=20
that and MS said yes we can. Then someone else (in authority) agreed =
with=20
Adobe, so Adobe said aha, now give us money and MS said, uh, no =
thanks,=20
.pdf, we don't need no stinkin' .pdf, and we'll just shove .pdf out =
the door=20
instead.
Then Adobe went ashen as they saw the viability of .pdf going forward=20
threatened. <me I don't care either, other than the less .pdf out =
there the=20
better from my end-user point of view>
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message=20
news:4480d085@w3.nls.net...
> So with my current dislike for most things MS/Adobe and while I'd =
welcome=20
> a deathmatch my initial response is I don't care
>
> =
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_to_Drop_PDF_Support_in_Office/1=
149284222
>
> Amid threats of a lawsuit from Adobe, Microsoft acknowledged Friday =
that=20
> it would remove support for saving files in PDF from Office 2007, as =
well=20
> as dropping its own rival format XPS from the productivity suite and =
> Windows Vista.
>
> The changes follow a breakdown of talks between the two technology =
giants=20
> after Microsoft announced last year it would include native PDF =
publishing=20
> with the release of Office 2007. The feature has long been a top =
request=20
> from customers, the company said at the time, and other office =
suites have=20
> the capability.
>
> But Adobe was unhappy with the move and a dispute has been brewing =
for=20
> four months, Microsoft's lead counsel Brad Smith said Friday. =
Although PDF=20
> claims to be an open format and is integrated into OpenOffice and =
Apple's=20
> Mac OS X operating system, Adobe apparently sees Office 2007 as a =
real=20
> threat to its business.
>
> Adobe wants Microsoft to charge for the feature, which the Redmond =
company=20
> has refused to do. Smith said Adobe threatened to file an antitrust =
suit=20
> in Europe, and his company was preparing for that eventuality. Now,=20
> however, Microsoft says it will make the feature available through a =
> downloadable add-on.
>
> "PDF is usually viewed as an open standard and there are other =
office=20
> suites out there that already support PDF output. I don't see us =
providing=20
> functionality that's any different from what others are doing," =
remarked=20
> Microsoft's Office Open XML format lead Brian Jones in a blog =
posting.
>
> "This really is one of those cases where you just have to shake your =
head.=20
> Adobe got a lot of goodwill with customers, particularly in =
government=20
> circles, for making PDF available as an open standard. It's amazing =
that=20
> they would go back on the openness pledge."
>
> In addition, Microsoft will drop support for its own fixed-layout =
format=20
> known as XPS from Office and offer an XPS-free version of Windows =
Vista to=20
> OEMs that request it. Windows Vista includes XPS -- formerly =
code-named=20
> "Metro" -- as part of the Windows Presentation Foundation. The =
company=20
> will host a session on using Vista as a document platform at TechEd =
2006=20
> in Boston on June 12.
>
> However, it is unlikely many computer makers will opt for the =
XPS-free=20
> option. European computer makers have balked at Windows XP N, a =
special=20
> version of Microsoft's flagship operating system that strips out =
Windows=20
> Media Player. When running a standard Vista install, Office 2007 =
will have=20
> the "Save as XPS" feature.
>
> Some analysts have remained skeptical that Microsoft's side is the =
full=20
> story. Adobe has yet to comment on the matter, and may not publicly =
if it=20
> indeed intends to file a lawsuit.
>
> "I had no idea that Adobe carried such swath it could force =
Microsoft to=20
> raise Office prices," chided Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe =
Wilcox.=20
> He noted that Microsoft is clearly using the media to push its =
position=20
> that if it cannot use PDF freely, then Adobe's format must not be =
open.
>
> "Whatever occurred in private between the two companies, Microsoft =
is=20
> aggressively taking a very public PR position. I see Microsoft as =
trying=20
> to make this a debate about formats and the openness of PDF. =
Microsoft=20
> claims new Office formats are open, but some =
governments--Massachusetts,=20
> for example--disagree."
>
> Already, industry groups have come out in support of Microsoft, and=20
> customers have expressed their dismay at Adobe's actions.
>
> "If recent reports are accurate, Adobe is turning PDF from an open=20
> standard into a double standard. It seems their new position is that =
the=20
> PDF standard is now open for some to implement, but not all," =
commented=20
> Jonathan Zuck, President of the Association for Competitive =
Technology=20
> (ACT).
>
> "The Commonwealth did pick PDF as an open standard. Microsoft could =
gain=20
> favorable position with Massachusetts or other governments by =
launching a=20
> FUD campaign that portrays Adobe as exacting a double standard with=20
> respect to PDF openness," added Jupiter's Wilcox.
>
> Microsoft's Jones said he hopes Adobe realizes it has made a mistake =
and,=20
> "that they probably shouldn't try to sue people for using an open =
file=20
> format." Microsoft has pledged not to go after anyone that =
implements its=20
> Office Open XML formats, which are currently being certified as a =
standard=20
> by Ecma.
>
> "If you're like me and think this is just a bad thing all around, =
you=20
> should let them know," Jones wrote. With no lawsuit filed just yet, =
Adobe=20
> could still give into the public pressure and forge an agreement =
with=20
> Microsoft.
>
> "The worst thing Adobe could do is not respond," said Wilcox. "The =
company=20
> needs to tell its side of the story, before Microsoft's version is =
seared=20
> in the public consciousness."
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> None of the public reports =
I have seen=20
have suggested abobe asked for money for themselves. Instead they =
state=20
that Abobe wanted Microsoft to charge extra to Microsoft = customers for
the=20
ability to produce PDF files so as to not hurt adobe charging $449 = for
a=20
copy of acrobat. See <A=20
href=3D"http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_ADOBE_SPAT?SITE=3D=
AP&SECTION=3DHOME&TEMPLATE=3DDEFAULT&CTIME=3D2006-06-02-17-43=
-17">http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_ADOBE_SPAT?SITE=3DA=
P&SECTION=3DHOME&TEMPLATE=3DDEFAULT&CTIME=3D2006-06-02-17-43-=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Mark" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:nomail@hotmail.com">nomail@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4480d9c5$1@w3.nls.net">news:4480d9c5$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>From=20
a strictly layman's perspective, it sounds like Adobe said you can't =
do=20
<BR>that and MS said yes we can. Then someone else (in authority) =
agreed with=20
<BR>Adobe, so Adobe said aha, now give us money and MS said, uh, no =
thanks,=20
<BR>.pdf, we don't need no stinkin' .pdf, and we'll just shove .pdf =
out the=20
door <BR>instead.<BR><BR>Then Adobe went ashen as they saw the =
viability of=20
.pdf going forward <BR>threatened. <me I don't care either, other =
than the=20
less .pdf out there the <BR>better from my end-user point of=20
view><BR><BR><BR>"Rich Gauszka" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<BR><A =
href=3D"news:4480d085@w3.nls.net">news:4480d085@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
So with my current dislike for most things MS/Adobe and while I'd =
welcome=20
<BR>> a deathmatch my initial response is I don't =
care<BR>><BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_to_Drop_PDF_Support_in_=
Office/1149284222">http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_to_Drop_PDF_=
Support_in_Office/1149284222</A><BR>><BR>>=20
Amid threats of a lawsuit from Adobe, Microsoft acknowledged Friday =
that=20
<BR>> it would remove support for saving files in PDF from Office =
2007, as=20
well <BR>> as dropping its own rival format XPS from the =
productivity suite=20
and <BR>> Windows Vista.<BR>><BR>> The changes follow a =
breakdown of=20
talks between the two technology giants <BR>> after Microsoft =
announced=20
last year it would include native PDF publishing <BR>> with the =
release of=20
Office 2007. The feature has long been a top request <BR>> from =
customers,=20
the company said at the time, and other office suites have <BR>> =
the=20
capability.<BR>><BR>> But Adobe was unhappy with the move and a =
dispute=20
has been brewing for <BR>> four months, Microsoft's lead counsel =
Brad Smith=20
said Friday. Although PDF <BR>> claims to be an open format and is=20
integrated into OpenOffice and Apple's <BR>> Mac OS X operating =
system,=20
Adobe apparently sees Office 2007 as a real <BR>> threat to its=20
business.<BR>><BR>> Adobe wants Microsoft to charge for the =
feature,=20
which the Redmond company <BR>> has refused to do. Smith said Adobe =
threatened to file an antitrust suit <BR>> in Europe, and his =
company was=20
preparing for that eventuality. Now, <BR>> however, Microsoft says =
it will=20
make the feature available through a <BR>> downloadable=20
add-on.<BR>><BR>> "PDF is usually viewed as an open standard and =
there=20
are other office <BR>> suites out there that already support PDF =
output. I=20
don't see us providing <BR>> functionality that's any different =
from what=20
others are doing," remarked <BR>> Microsoft's Office Open XML =
format lead=20
Brian Jones in a blog posting.<BR>><BR>> "This really is one of =
those=20
cases where you just have to shake your head. <BR>> Adobe got a lot =
of=20
goodwill with customers, particularly in government <BR>> circles, =
for=20
making PDF available as an open standard. It's amazing that <BR>> =
they=20
would go back on the openness pledge."<BR>><BR>> In addition, =
Microsoft=20
will drop support for its own fixed-layout format <BR>> known as =
XPS from=20
Office and offer an XPS-free version of Windows Vista to <BR>> OEMs =
that=20
request it. Windows Vista includes XPS -- formerly code-named <BR>> =
"Metro"=20
-- as part of the Windows Presentation Foundation. The company =
<BR>> will=20
host a session on using Vista as a document platform at TechEd 2006 =
<BR>>=20
in Boston on June 12.<BR>><BR>> However, it is unlikely many =
computer=20
makers will opt for the XPS-free <BR>> option. European computer =
makers=20
have balked at Windows XP N, a special <BR>> version of Microsoft's =
flagship operating system that strips out Windows <BR>> Media =
Player. When=20
running a standard Vista install, Office 2007 will have <BR>> the =
"Save as=20
XPS" feature.<BR>><BR>> Some analysts have remained skeptical =
that=20
Microsoft's side is the full <BR>> story. Adobe has yet to comment =
on the=20
matter, and may not publicly if it <BR>> indeed intends to file a=20
lawsuit.<BR>><BR>> "I had no idea that Adobe carried such swath =
it could=20
force Microsoft to <BR>> raise Office prices," chided Jupiter =
Research=20
senior analyst Joe Wilcox. <BR>> He noted that Microsoft is clearly =
using=20
the media to push its position <BR>> that if it cannot use PDF =
freely, then=20
Adobe's format must not be open.<BR>><BR>> "Whatever occurred in =
private=20
between the two companies, Microsoft is <BR>> aggressively taking a =
very=20
public PR position. I see Microsoft as trying <BR>> to make this a =
debate=20
about formats and the openness of PDF. Microsoft <BR>> claims new =
Office=20
formats are open, but some governments--Massachusetts, <BR>> for=20
example--disagree."<BR>><BR>> Already, industry groups have come =
out in=20
support of Microsoft, and <BR>> customers have expressed their =
dismay at=20
Adobe's actions.<BR>><BR>> "If recent reports are accurate, =
Adobe is=20
turning PDF from an open <BR>> standard into a double standard. It =
seems=20
their new position is that the <BR>> PDF standard is now open for =
some to=20
implement, but not all," commented <BR>> Jonathan Zuck, President =
of the=20
Association for Competitive Technology <BR>> (ACT).<BR>><BR>> =
"The=20
Commonwealth did pick PDF as an open standard. Microsoft could gain =
<BR>>=20
favorable position with Massachusetts or other governments by =
launching a=20
<BR>> FUD campaign that portrays Adobe as exacting a double =
standard with=20
<BR>> respect to PDF openness," added Jupiter's =
Wilcox.<BR>><BR>>=20
Microsoft's Jones said he hopes Adobe realizes it has made a mistake =
and,=20
<BR>> "that they probably shouldn't try to sue people for using an =
open=20
file <BR>> format." Microsoft has pledged not to go after anyone =
that=20
implements its <BR>> Office Open XML formats, which are currently =
being=20
certified as a standard <BR>> by Ecma.<BR>><BR>> "If you're =
like me=20
and think this is just a bad thing all around, you <BR>> should let =
them=20
know," Jones wrote. With no lawsuit filed just yet, Adobe <BR>> =
could still=20
give into the public pressure and forge an agreement with <BR>>=20
Microsoft.<BR>><BR>> "The worst thing Adobe could do is not =
respond,"=20
said Wilcox. "The company <BR>> needs to tell its side of the =
story, before=20
Microsoft's version is seared <BR>> in the public=20
consciousness."<BR>><BR>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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