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Skriven 2006-06-10 18:54:14 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
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Ärende: Re: PCI hardware ID
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From: "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com>
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In cases involving gotchas as your Nvidia example wouldn't Microsoft be =
better off by just not including those drivers in windows update? =20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:448b497b$1@w3.nls.net...
This is all keyed off the PCI ID which the hardware provides. =
Unless you are trying to ID ISA devices something like a modem it is the =
hardware that is responsible for identifying both itself and the devices = with
which it is compatible. On Windows XP open the device manager, = select the
device of interest, right click, pick Properties, then select = the Details
tab. The categories of interest here are Hardware Ids and = Compatible Ids.
For example, my video adapter provides the following = hardware IDs
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_030000
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300
and the following compatible IDs
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322
PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000
PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300
PCI\VEN_10DE
PCI\CC_030000
PCI\CC_0300
How the device driver is selected from these IDs is explained at =
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112. I didn't read through the = article so
I don't know if it points out one gotcha that are = particularly relevant to
OEM devices like nvidia display adapters. The = gotcha is that the OEMs make
changes but forget to change the PCI IDs. = In other words, multiple
incompatible devices claim to be the same or = compatible. I don't have this
issue with any of my current hardware but = I have two friends/family that have
systems with OEM nvidia adapters = that claim to be compatible with the nvidia
drivers but don't work = unless you use customized OEM drivers. This sounds
exactly like the = problem you have only I think both these folks are using
dell systems = not asus systems.
Rich
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:448b193f$1@w3.nls.net...
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message=20
news:448b1020$1@w3.nls.net...
>
> "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
> news:448b05af$1@w3.nls.net...
>>
>>
>> Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying some =
of my=20
>> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something that gives me a log of =
>> confidence in their hardware identification <g>. Technically its =
not a MS=20
>> Driver ( from NVIDIA ) but they are the ones deciding I may need =
it.
>>
>
> One time I blue screened and hosed my system with an internal =
modem update=20
> WU thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware =
update=20
> recommendations ever since
>
That will teach a lesson <g>. I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it =
still=20
seems to mis identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly an =
unknown=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In cases involving gotchas as your =
Nvidia example=20
wouldn't Microsoft be better off by just not including those drivers in =
windows=20
update? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This is all keyed off =
the PCI ID=20
which the hardware provides. Unless you are trying to ID ISA =
devices=20
something like a modem it is the hardware that is responsible for =
identifying=20
both itself and the devices with which it is compatible. On =
Windows XP=20
open the device manager, select the device of interest, right click, =
pick=20
Properties, then select the Details tab. The categories of =
interest here=20
are Hardware Ids and Compatible Ids. For example, my video =
adapter=20
provides the following hardware IDs</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2>PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1<BR>PCI\=
VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0<BR>PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&am=
p;CC_030000<BR>PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQ=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and the following compatible =
IDs</FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1<BR>PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_032=
2<BR>PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000<BR>PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300<BR>PCI\VEN_10=
DE<BR>PCI\CC_030000<BR>PCI\CC_0300</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How the device driver is selected =
from these IDs=20
is explained at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/279112</A>. =20
I didn't read through the article so I don't know if it points out one =
gotcha=20
that are particularly relevant to OEM devices like nvidia display=20
adapters. The gotcha is that the OEMs make changes but forget to =
change=20
the PCI IDs. In other words, multiple incompatible devices claim =
to be=20
the same or compatible. I don't have this issue with any of my =
current=20
hardware but I have two friends/family that have systems with OEM =
nvidia=20
adapters that claim to be compatible with the nvidia drivers but don't =
work=20
unless you use customized OEM drivers. This sounds exactly like =
the=20
problem you have only I think both these folks are using dell systems =
not asus=20
systems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Robert G Lewis" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:r.g.lewis@comcast.net">r.g.lewis@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
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href=3D"news:448b193f$1@w3.nls.net">news:448b193f$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V><BR>"Rich=20
Gauszka" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:448b1020$1@w3.nls.net">news:448b1020$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
><BR>>=20
"Robert G Lewis" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:r.g.lewis@comcast.net">r.g.lewis@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR>> <A=20
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href=3D"news:448b05af$1@w3.nls.net">news:448b05af$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying some of =
my=20
<BR>>> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something that gives =
me a log=20
of <BR>>> confidence in their hardware identification =
<g>.=20
Technically its not a MS <BR>>> Driver ( from NVIDIA ) but =
they are=20
the ones deciding I may need it.<BR>>><BR>><BR>> One =
time I blue=20
screened and hosed my system with an internal modem update <BR>> =
WU=20
thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware update =
<BR>>=20
recommendations ever since<BR>><BR><BR>That will teach a lesson=20
<g>. I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it still <BR>seems to =
mis=20
identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly an unknown =
<BR>MB=20
maker/<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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