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Text 11696, 209 rader
Skriven 2006-06-19 15:09:26 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 11671 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: PCI hardware ID
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Two different issues.  IE has to apply heuristics to file types =
because the servers that return this content often return bogus, both =
incorrect or invalid, types.  It's not easy to fix.  IE had to do this =
because netscape didn't enforce types and to be compatible IE couldn't =
either.  Because the types aren't enforced lots of servers still do this =
wrong.  Because they do types can't be enforced.

   Text and Unicode is first a false distinction.  It's all text.  In =
the case of Notepad, you mean UTF-16 text vs. UTF-8 text vs. ANSI text = as
this is the distinction that Notepad makes on load.  Even that misses = the
complexity as what people call ANSI is actually any of 14 distinct = and
incompatible ANSI encodings and is often one of many OEM encodings = which may
be distinct from any of the ANSI ones.  It is complicated = because for many of
the ANSI encodings including the one used in the = U.S. and Western Europe,
anything could be valid.  Because of this it is = not always possible to make a
distinction between UTF-16 and ANSI as a = file could validly be either.  UTF-8
is restrictive so it is easy to = tell if something is valid UTF-8.  That could
still be a problem as = valid UTF-8 could be valid ANSI too.  Instead some
heuristics are = applied.  For example if you see 0D 00 0A 00 then the file is
probably = UTF-16 while if you see 0D 0A it may be ANSI though U+0A0D might be
a = valid Unicode character.  I didn't look.

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:449444fd$2@w3.nls.net...
  That's not what I meant when I said computers today guess. I meant how
  computers today guess at the answer when the problem doesn't have a =
unique
  solution. Example would be how IE guesses file types or how notepad =
guesses
  between text and unicode.

  Geo.

  "Antti Kurenniemi" <NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com> wrote in message
  news:449392b8$1@w3.nls.net...
  > It was equally bad having people guess things. "I'll switch this dip =
here
  > and that there, and then those jumpers that I just dropped and have =
no
  clue
  > about where they should go... I'll just make a neat row of them =
here,
  > that'll do it". I remember a lot of hardware having huge manuals for =
just
  > configuring the stupid dip switches and whatnots, and that it was =
possible
  > to fry things by misconfiguring them. No thanks to that - nowadays, =
at
  least
  > you don't have to get your hands dirty to break your computer <g>
  >
  >
  > Antti Kurenniemi
  >
  > "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:44938e6a$2@w3.nls.net...
  > I kind of prefer the days when computers didn't "guess" at things. =
We used
  > to have a saying "computers don't make mistakes" but all that =
changed
  now..
  >
  > Geo.
  >   "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4493558b$1@w3.nls.net...
  >      You don't expect a mainframe to automatically detect any off =
the
  shelf
  > adapter that is plugged in.  The PC could go back to the dark ages =
too as
  > this is how things used to be when the PC first came to be.
  >
  >   Rich
  >
  >
  >


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Two different =
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to=20
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be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Text and Unicode is first =
a false=20
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UTF-16=20
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Notepad=20
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is=20
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is=20
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the=20
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file=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:449444fd$2@w3.nls.net">news:449444fd$2@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>That's=20
  not what I meant when I said computers today guess. I meant =
how<BR>computers=20
  today guess at the answer when the problem doesn't have a =
unique<BR>solution.=20
  Example would be how IE guesses file types or how notepad =
guesses<BR>between=20
  text and unicode.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Antti Kurenniemi" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com">NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com=
</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:449392b8$1@w3.nls.net">news:449392b8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt; It=20
  was equally bad having people guess things. "I'll switch this dip =
here<BR>&gt;=20
  and that there, and then those jumpers that I just dropped and have=20
  no<BR>clue<BR>&gt; about where they should go... I'll just make a neat =
row of=20
  them here,<BR>&gt; that'll do it". I remember a lot of hardware having =
huge=20
  manuals for just<BR>&gt; configuring the stupid dip switches and =
whatnots, and=20
  that it was possible<BR>&gt; to fry things by misconfiguring them. No =
thanks=20
  to that - nowadays, at<BR>least<BR>&gt; you don't have to get your =
hands dirty=20
  to break your computer &lt;g&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Antti=20
  Kurenniemi<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Geo" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:44938e6a$2@w3.nls.net">news:44938e6a$2@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt; I=20
  kind of prefer the days when computers didn't "guess" at things. We=20
  used<BR>&gt; to have a saying "computers don't make mistakes" but all =
that=20
  changed<BR>now..<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Geo.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" =
&lt;@&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4493558b$1@w3.nls.net">news:4493558b$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  You don't expect a mainframe to automatically detect any off=20
  the<BR>shelf<BR>&gt; adapter that is plugged in.&nbsp; The PC could go =
back to=20
  the dark ages too as<BR>&gt; this is how things used to be when the PC =
first=20
  came to be.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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