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Text 11873, 180 rader
Skriven 2006-06-29 01:02:44 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 11857 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Productize
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Commercializing and productizing are not the same.  The English =
language has lots of words with similar or overlapping but distinct = meanings.

Rich

  "Gary Britt" <glb@gencog.com> wrote in message =
news:44a308b4$1@w3.nls.net...
  Commercializing would be the correct term and the term that has been =
in wide use for decades.  For example, phrases such as the "right to =
commercialize derivative works" of a copyrighted product have existed = for
many decades.  Productizing is non-standard usage that would seem to = me was
created by people who are less verbal than they needed to be.  = Whether the
term was created at or is used at places other than = Microsoft is of no
concern.  Anyone who uses the term anywhere is using = non-standard english
that a more verbal and more educated person would = certainly avoid. =20

  Just because literate people might understand what a speaker means =
when they say "our product is 'more gooder' than the competition" = doesn't
make it proper usage.  Therefore, I find your argument that the = meaning and
intent of a speaker who uses "productizing" is discernable = to the listener is
not a credible defense of its usage.

  Gary
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:44a2e7a9@w3.nls.net...
       I have no spin.  I can say that productizing as a verb is not =
double speak.  It gets used all the time to describe taking a = technology,
prototype, internal tool, etc and making it or incorporating = it into a
product.  To someone who speaks English you would think the = meaning would be
clear.  I very much doubt it is a Microsoft term.  I'm = sure it is widely
used.

    Rich

      "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"@the field.near the bridge"> =
wrote in message news:44a043f0$1@w3.nls.net...
      Mike N. wrote:
      > On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:41:53 -0400, "Rich Gauszka" =
<gauszka@hotmail.com>
      > wrote:
      >=20
      >> "With most of our effort now working towards productizing =
mature aspects of the=20
      >> WinFS project into SQL and ADO.NET, we do not need to deliver a =
separate=20
      >> WinFS offering."
      >=20
      >   "productizing" - adv (English): Special word to introduce =
doublespeak and
      > make it sound like you are saying something significant when you =
wish avoid
      > the real subject because you are not comfortable talking about =
it.

      I will be curious to see Rich S's spin on this.

      Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Commercializing and =
productizing are=20
not the same.&nbsp; The English language has lots of words with similar = or=20
overlapping but distinct meanings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Gary Britt" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:glb@gencog.com">glb@gencog.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:44a308b4$1@w3.nls.net">news:44a308b4$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Commercializing would be the correct term and =
the term=20
  that has been in wide use for decades.&nbsp; For example, phrases such =
as the=20
  "right to commercialize derivative works" of a copyrighted product =
have=20
  existed for&nbsp;many decades.&nbsp; Productizing is non-standard =
usage that=20
  would seem to me was created by people who are less verbal than they =
needed to=20
  be.&nbsp; Whether the term was created at or is used at places other =
than=20
  Microsoft is of no concern.&nbsp; Anyone who uses the term anywhere is =
using=20
  non-standard english that a more verbal and more educated person would =

  certainly avoid.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just because literate people might understand =
what a=20
  speaker means when they say "our product is 'more gooder' than the=20
  competition" doesn't make it proper usage.&nbsp; Therefore, I find =
your=20
  argument that the meaning and intent of&nbsp;a speaker&nbsp;who=20
  uses&nbsp;"productizing"&nbsp;is discernable to the listener&nbsp;is =
not a=20
  credible defense of its usage.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Gary</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:44a2e7a9@w3.nls.net">news:44a2e7a9@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I have no spin.&nbsp; =
I can say=20
    that productizing as a verb is not double speak.&nbsp; It gets used =
all the=20
    time to describe taking a technology, prototype, internal tool, etc =
and=20
    making it or incorporating it into a product.&nbsp; To someone who =
speaks=20
    English you would think the meaning would be clear.&nbsp; I very =
much doubt=20
    it is a Microsoft term.&nbsp; I'm sure it is widely =
used.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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      <DIV>"Adam" &lt;"<A=20
      =
href=3D'mailto:"4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"@the'>"4thwormcastfromthemole=
hill\"@the</A>=20
      field.near the bridge"&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:44a043f0$1@w3.nls.net">news:44a043f0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Mike=20
      N. wrote:<BR>&gt; On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:41:53 -0400, "Rich =
Gauszka"=20
      &lt;<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
      wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; "With most of our effort now working =
towards=20
      productizing mature aspects of the <BR>&gt;&gt; WinFS project into =
SQL and=20
      ADO.NET, we do not need to deliver a separate <BR>&gt;&gt; WinFS=20
      offering."<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "productizing" - adv =
(English):=20
      Special word to introduce doublespeak and<BR>&gt; make it sound =
like you=20
      are saying something significant when you wish avoid<BR>&gt; the =
real=20
      subject because you are not comfortable talking about it.<BR><BR>I =
will be=20
      curious to see Rich S's spin on=20
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