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Skriven 2006-09-26 13:53:36 av Scott Franklin (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Microsoft Vista is still a mess
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From: "Scott Franklin" <scotty@spirit-wolf.com>

I installed Vista last night and it took me several hours. Seemed that it
didn't like my main drive and had problems "Assigning drive letter" to it. I
disconnected it and THEN it installed. As they indicated that a "slow burn of
the ISO" was preferable, I re-burned a copy at 2x (as it's a DVD, that took a
while and I didn't include that as time spend on the install.

It was the x64 version as my test machine is an Athlon64 3400+ with 1.5 gigs
ram, 250 gig SATA WD drive amd a 300 gig ATA drive (the drivers for the SATA on
the K8V SE are limited at best) and it had to go on the ATA drive).

When I loaded the newest Vista drivers for the PNY 6600 and was DLing PCcillin,
I lost the video entirely except for the Windows Task Manager and then I lost
it entirely (screen refresh was lost).

I'll see more of it later today/tonight

Scott


"/m" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34268
>
>
>
> UAC is now "ridiculously annoying".
>
>
> ===
> WE'VE HAD THE pleasure of using Vista since its very early builds. The
> first release candidate is now upon us, and was made available to
> download by TechBeta and Technology Adoption Program program subscribers
> last week.
>
> MSDN and TechNet subscribers should now also be able to grab the
> near-complete RC1 release, build number 5600. One INQUIRER columnist has
> already given us his positive and then negative spin on RC1, and further
> testing from this hack has uncovered further problems.
>
> Throughout the testing of the past releases, it was strikingly evident
> how incomplete Vista's code was. Various incomplete features, missing
> graphics, place-holder text messages, and a plethora of bugs, left many
> feeling very underwhelmed, and increasingly worried by the next
> operating system from Microsoft.
>
> A release candidate should consist of all features that will appear in
> the finished product, in an almost final state, with simple bug fixing
> and last-minute problem finding being the main concerns of the testers
> and developers. A beta 2 'pre-RC1' build, numbered 5536, of Vista was
> only recently made available for download just before RC1, and was
> considered surprisingly stable and bug-free compared to previous betas.
> RC1, then, should easily cope under scrutiny from the INQUIRER.
>
> Installation
> The install didn't go well. The test system had a Nvidia based RAID
> setup over two SATA disks which had been running XP perfectly for some
> time. Vista refused to see the RAID, even with beta Vista-specific
> drivers from Nvidia. Booting Vista from within XP allowed setup to see
> the hard-disks, but after the preliminary setup routines, and a reboot,
> Vista failed to again see the drives. Searching Nvidia forums gave an
> answer - load the Vista specific drivers in an XP-based Vista setup even
> when it recognizes the RAID. The install then worked. Its surprising one
> of the most utilised RAID supporting motherboardchipsets from one of the
> biggest suppliers of chipsets are still having problems with their Vista
> drivers at this very late stage.
>
> Previous critical examination of Microsoft's new beloved font types in
> our Office 2007 articles seems to have fallen on deaf ears - the
> installation font looked awful, with random spacing occurring between
> letters much like that in the Office beta's. It looks amateurish at
> best.
>
> Further hardware problems came from the very popular Creative Audigy
> card that was utilised in the test system. Vista failed to recognize the
> card, so a quick look on Creative's site uncovered Vista specific
> drivers. A quick install and reboot, ensured a consistent BSOD on boot.
> Resorting back to the last known good configuration sorted this, and an
> install of the older XP drivers seemed to work without any further
> problems. Again it's surprising and very disturbing that a driver for
> such a popular sound device is still at a very poor stage in
> development.
>
> Rebooting
> Some drivers were previously copied onto a USB memory stick for quick
> installation once Vista was up and running. Vista automatically
> recognized the USB memory stick, as you'd expect, but copying a file to
> the desktop failed (the copy dialog wouldn't complete) and a 0 byte file
> then remained on the desktop which wasn't removable until a reboot.
>
> Installing Windows Live Messenger worked fine. For some reason the build
> on Microsoft's website was old and the program instantly asked if the
> newer version should be installed. A quick download later, and the
> installation hung and couldn't be closed without a reboot.
>
> During setup you're asked to name your PC. On examining the test PC's
> name in the networking properties, it was obvious this had at some point
> been discarded - a further renaming was required, which then required a
> full reboot. Installing Nvidia Nforce drivers for the system's
> motherboard required a reboot - and on restarting Vista, another reboot
> was required to finish the installation. So much for rebooting Windows
> less.
>
> Media
> Media center is now built in to Windows, as opposed to shipping as a
> separate OS offering. It's had various GUI changes, but some of the
> older GUI still exists - surely this should all be complete now,
> considering this is a release candidate? Media player failed to bring up
> the 'first time setup' procedure on the first attempt to try to play a
> video file and only audio could be heard with no video, until media
> player was restarted and the aforementioned procedure finally kicked
> into gear.
>
> Performance
> The test PC contained an Athlon64 3200+ on a Nvidia Nforce 4 chipset
> based motherboard with 1gb RAM and a Geforce 7600GT - hardly awe
> inspiring, but a decent entry/mid level PC, which runs XP and most
> modern games very happily. Vista start up takes around 15-20 seconds
> longer than the old install of XP on this machine, and takes around 10
> seconds more to unload for a reboot. The OS in general appears sluggish
> compared to XP and resource hungry - the memory footprint on a fresh
> boot of Vista takes around 500-550mb without any other tasks running,
> and the CPU never seems to run idle. The old program-loaded XP install
> took around 300mb.
>
> Interface
> The partially-transparent windows look nice, but I'd prefer opaque
> boarders if it meant the performance of XP. The 3D presentation of
> windows when flipping between programs isn't particularly useful and
> isn't even the alt-tab default - a thumbnail preview of the window
> appears, much like the Windows XP powertoy add-on.
>
> Where's the run command gone in the start menu? This is highly annoying,
> and you often find yourself trying to quickly run a command window but
> having to resort to the search function. The start menu no longer
> expands into an observable tree like it has for the last 11 years,
> instead each level of the tree appears in the main start menu pop up,
> which is particularly unnavigable and unintuitive. Each folder within
> the explorer view seems to have its own choice of folder viewing - one
> folder will show you thumbnail folder previews, another will show you a
> simple list, with little consistency throughout the contents of your
> hard-drive.
>
> The level-up button that appeared in explorer has also disappeared. It's
> now much more of a pain to transverse any folder tree. As Paul Thurrott
> points out too, back buttons now tend (its highly inconsistent) to
> appear in the top left hand corner of a window, whilst next buttons
> still appear in the bottom right - a fairly counter-intuitive design
> decision.
>
> The icons that appear in the bottom right task tray and the quick launch
> icons are basic, unintuitive and could've been originally shipped with
> Windows 3.1.
>
> User Account Control (UAC) is ridiculously annoying. It pops up far to
> frequently when trying to configure your system and states administrator
> access is required, even when you're an administrative user - clicking
> continue is all that is required to bypass it, but the sluggish
> performance of Vista means the pop up and dark screen effect makes the
> process take longer than needed.
>
> Conclusion
> Vista's still a mess. It's meant to be at release candidate stage, yet
> vendor's are struggling to provide sufficient driver support, features
> are still missing or not yet complete, and its performance compared to
> XP is still poor. Nowadays hardware is cheap, and it would be
> sufficiently acceptable to upgrade in anticipation of a wonderfully
> revolutionary OS. Unfortunately Vista provides little to no benefit for
> end users compared to that of the previous version of Windows, released
> five years ago in 2001.
>
> There are no upgrades or features to the OS that are sufficiently
> compelling to make upgrading a necessity, some which were earlier
> promised, allowed for sufficient reason for an upgrade to be considered,
> but these have been removed one by one over the course of Vista's
> prolonged patchy road of development, and now Vista appears little more
> than an ill-performing version of XP with a glorified interface. æ
> ===
>
>
>  /m

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