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Skriven 2004-10-29 13:31:46 av Gary Wiltshire (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 1319 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Article on WIPO & the public good
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From: "Gary Wiltshire" <gaw@sover.net>

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:50:36 +0100, Adam Flinton
<adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:

> By the time the public had got used to Concorde, the prodction line was
> closed & it would have been un-economic (outside of a mil context) to
> re-open the line.

It's not a one-time thing, Adam.  If there were a demand for SSTs new
productions lines would be set up.

>>> So when in your view did "science" start?
>>   "Science" as the word is understood by those who know what
>> "scientific  method" means starts at about Bacon's time - Francis, not
>> Roger.
>>
>
> & Bacon was trying to improve upon chinese tech i.e. gunpowder.

His impact was hardly limited to gunpowder.

> That is not true. The underlying framework was there if fallacious &
> involved earth elements, fire elements, water elements etc.

Yes it is true.  I don't think you have a firm grasp on the concept of
scientific method.

> Maybe a century ago. in the 1800'es the power was still there & was
> still very much a real factor.

Not significant compared to centuries past.

> Malaysia, Pakistan. Most muslim countries were however colonised until
> at least the 1940'es & some (e.g. the FSU muslim countries) until the
> 1990'es.

Show me the big scientific advances from those countries.

> China is not the third world. It may be part of it, but then show me the
> great scientific progress which has come out of Luxembourg which is part
> of the West.

I don't know that there isn't, but it it merely part of the west and
participates.  Show me the great advances from Arkansas.

> If you wish to compare East to west then you could compare Japan to the
> US as well as China to the US.

Wrong.  As I've already stated, Japan has long since become part of that global
western-based culture.

> By the time the Eastern Empire was alone, the "Western Culture"
> consisted of disaparate cultures such as the Anglo-saxon, franks, goths
> etc where the only common factor was possibly the Church of Rome.

They were still part of a larger culture.  Your own EU is a similar example of
super- and sub-cultures.

> Yes it is. You have to remember that there are 2 waves of Indian words
> entering english english, the colonial period & the post war period
> where for instance the majority population of Bradford is South Asian &
> ditto Leicester, large parts of London etc & as such we have lots of
> Indian subcontinental words in very common useage.

No, it's not.  Again a vocabulary measured in hundreds of thousands of words,
the contribution is negligible.  I know what I'm talking about on this one,
Adam.

> Certainly to bring back things "new to science" whether the potato,
> tobacco, indian corn etc.

Hardly examples of tech transfer to the west.

> I suspect you have limited knowledge of the greeks & for instance their
> systematic development & integration of knowledge, for example geometry.

There is no doubt that they were advanced and that that fed into the future
western culture of which THEY were already a part, but the tech base of Greece
and Rome was relatively static for centuries.

> http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/toc.html

I went to school too, Adam.

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Gary Wiltshire

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