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Text 15546, 152 rader
Skriven 2007-01-21 19:23:18 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15545 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Content protection
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From: "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com>

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There's content protection  and there is consumer abuse

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista = requires
that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade = the signal
quality that passes through it if premium content is present. = This is done
through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a = much lower-quality
one, then up- scales it again back to the original = spec, but with a
significant loss in quality. So if you're using an = expensive new LCD display
fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your = video card and there's protected
content present, the picture you're = going to see will be, as the spec puts
it, "slightly fuzzy", a bit like = a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you picked up
for $2 at a yard sale [Note = F]. In fact the specification specifically still
allows for old VGA = analog outputs, but even that's only because disallowing
them would = upset too many existing owners of analog monitors. In the future
even = analog VGA output will probably have to be disabled. The only thing that
= seems to be explicitly allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out, =
provided that Macrovision is applied to it.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net...
     So you think that HD DVD or bluray would have been released without =
any standard for content protection?  In what fantasy world do you live?

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net...
    The specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
    possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those capabilities.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b38858@w3.nls.net...
       You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
    committees on the specifications.  As an implementor and =
consequently an=20
    interested party, membership seems like a good idea.  The =
specifications=20
    don't mandate that content must be protected.  It's the content =
providers=20
    that make this mandate.

    Rich


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's content protection &nbsp;and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista =
requires=20
that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade the signal =
quality=20
that passes through it if premium content is present. This is done = through
a=20
"constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much lower-quality one, = then
up-=20
scales it again back to the original spec, but with a significant loss = in=20
quality. So if you're using an expensive new LCD display fed from a = high-=20
quality DVI signal on your video card and there's protected content = present,
the=20
picture you're going to see will be, as the spec puts it, "slightly = fuzzy",
a=20
bit like a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you picked up for $2 at a yard = sale
[<A=20
href=3D"http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#f">Not=
e F</A>].=20
In fact the specification specifically still allows for old VGA analog =
outputs,=20
but even that's only because disallowing them would upset too many =
existing=20
owners of analog monitors. In the future even analog VGA output will =
probably=20
have to be disabled. The only thing that seems to be explicitly allowed = is
the=20
extremely low-quality TV-out, provided that Macrovision is applied to =
it.</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; So you think that HD DVD =
or bluray=20
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protection?&nbsp; In=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>The=20
    specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
    <BR>possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those=20
    capabilities.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message =
<A=20
    =
href=3D"news:45b38858@w3.nls.net">news:45b38858@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
    You are confused.&nbsp; Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
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    consequently an <BR>interested party, membership seems like a good=20
    idea.&nbsp; The specifications <BR>don't mandate that content must =
be=20
    protected.&nbsp; It's the content providers <BR>that make this=20
    mandate.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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