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Text 15550, 231 rader
Skriven 2007-01-21 20:09:08 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15548 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Content protection
==============================
From: "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com>

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I realize the degradation is mandated for all players. It's the bozos = that
mandated this in the screw-the-consumer drm consortium that I'm = railing
against.

In my eyes Microsoft is not the lone culprit in this matter - just one = of
many


"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b40ac7@w3.nls.net...
     This guy is still a bozo and his "paper" is a bunch of random =
noise.  Unless you want to look like a bozo I wouldn't let him speak for = you.
 See =
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows=
-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx for truthful =
information on the subject.

     BTW, the degradation referred to is mandated for all players not =
just software players on PCs.

  Rich

    "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:45b40704$1@w3.nls.net...
    There's content protection  and there is consumer abuse

    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

    Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista =
requires that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade = the
signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. = This is
done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a = much
lower-quality one, then up- scales it again back to the original = spec, but
with a significant loss in quality. So if you're using an = expensive new LCD
display fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your = video card and there's
protected content present, the picture you're = going to see will be, as the
spec puts it, "slightly fuzzy", a bit like = a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you
picked up for $2 at a yard sale [Note = F]. In fact the specification
specifically still allows for old VGA = analog outputs, but even that's only
because disallowing them would = upset too many existing owners of analog
monitors. In the future even = analog VGA output will probably have to be
disabled. The only thing that = seems to be explicitly allowed is the extremely
low-quality TV-out, = provided that Macrovision is applied to it.

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net...
         So you think that HD DVD or bluray would have been released =
without any standard for content protection?  In what fantasy world do = you
live?

      Rich

        "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net...
        The specifications from the standards committee is what makes =
the mandate=20
        possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those =
capabilities.

        Geo.

        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45b38858@w3.nls.net...
           You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
        committees on the specifications.  As an implementor and =
consequently an=20
        interested party, membership seems like a good idea.  The =
specifications=20
        don't mandate that content must be protected.  It's the content =
providers=20
        that make this mandate.

        Rich


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I realize the degradation is mandated =
for all=20
players. It's the bozos that mandated this in the screw-the-consumer drm =

consortium that I'm railing against.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my eyes Microsoft is not the =
lone&nbsp;culprit=20
in this matter - just one of many</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:45b40ac7@w3.nls.net">news:45b40ac7@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; This guy is still a bozo =
and his=20
  "paper" is a bunch of random noise.&nbsp; Unless you want to look like =
a bozo=20
  I wouldn't let him speak for you.&nbsp; See <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20=
/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx">http=
://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vis=
ta-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx</A>&nbsp;for=20
  truthful information on the subject.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, the degradation =
referred to is=20
  mandated for all players not just software players on =
PCs.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:45b40704$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b40704$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's content protection =
&nbsp;and there is=20
    consumer abuse</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html">http:=
//www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, =
Vista=20
    requires that any interface that provides high-quality output =
degrade the=20
    signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. =
This is=20
    done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much=20
    lower-quality one, then up- scales it again back to the original =
spec, but=20
    with a significant loss in quality. So if you're using an expensive =
new LCD=20
    display fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your video card and =
there's=20
    protected content present, the picture you're going to see will be, =
as the=20
    spec puts it, "slightly fuzzy", a bit like a 10-year-old CRT monitor =
that=20
    you picked up for $2 at a yard sale [<A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#f">Not=
e=20
    F</A>]. In fact the specification specifically still allows for old =
VGA=20
    analog outputs, but even that's only because disallowing them would =
upset=20
    too many existing owners of analog monitors. In the future even =
analog VGA=20
    output will probably have to be disabled. The only thing that seems =
to be=20
    explicitly allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out, provided =
that=20
    Macrovision is applied to it.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b405f9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; So you think that HD =
DVD or=20
      bluray would have been released without any standard for content=20
      protection?&nbsp; In what fantasy world do you live?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
        wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b3c353$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>The=20
        specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
        <BR>possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those=20
        capabilities.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:45b38858@w3.nls.net">news:45b38858@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
        You are confused.&nbsp; Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
        <BR>committees on the specifications.&nbsp; As an implementor =
and=20
        consequently an <BR>interested party, membership seems like a =
good=20
        idea.&nbsp; The specifications <BR>don't mandate that content =
must be=20
        protected.&nbsp; It's the content providers <BR>that make this=20
        =
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