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Text 15706, 155 rader
Skriven 2007-01-27 19:50:24 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15705 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Software firewalls
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   No.  Microsoft has provided an outbound firewall in various forms for =
years.  Windows Live OneCare and Windows Vista both provide a consumer = level
one.  Windows Vista provides enterprise level features as well in = the same
firewall.  Still, except for anal folks like some of those = here, most people
don't really use these at least not how described = here.

   We discussed the OneCare outbound filtering in detail earlier.  You =
can go back and look it up.  I'm sure you put it out of your mind = because you
prefer to believe what you want to.

   I wouldn't trust any outbound filtering for malware on an infected =
machine.  The infected machine enforces what to allow or not and since = the
machine is infected you can't trust it.  I could trust one to = implement
policy for non-malicious applications.

   Your repeated phone home noise is as boring as it is bogus.  Find =
something interesting and relevant to say instead.

Rich


  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net...
  Exactly, why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built in =
10=20
  baby per second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets software phone =
home=20
  and keeps the baby count down, the perfect solution to a nonexistent=20
  requirement.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net...
     It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the =
firewall=20
  protects against incoming traffic, the primary purpose for which most =
people=20
  want and use a firewall.  The ratings here are those for once =
pregnant, how=20
  well do you keep the baby from escaping.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net...
    I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is =
sort of
    like a site saying you have to have unprotected sex with us before =
you can
    see how we rate birth control methods..

    Geo.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Microsoft has =
provided an=20
outbound firewall in various forms for years.&nbsp; Windows Live OneCare =
and=20
Windows Vista both provide a consumer level one.&nbsp; Windows Vista =
provides=20
enterprise level features as well in the same firewall.&nbsp; Still, = except
for=20
anal folks like some of those here, most people don't really use these = at
least=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; We discussed the OneCare =
outbound=20
filtering in detail earlier.&nbsp; You can go back and look it up.&nbsp; =
I'm=20
sure you put it out of your mind because you prefer to believe what you =
want=20
to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I wouldn't trust any =
outbound=20
filtering for malware on an infected machine.&nbsp; The infected machine =

enforces what to allow or not and since the machine is infected you = can't
trust=20
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applications.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your repeated phone home =
noise is as=20
boring as it is bogus.&nbsp; Find something interesting and relevant to =
say=20
instead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net">news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Ex=
actly,=20
  why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built in 10 =
<BR>baby per=20
  second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets software phone home =
<BR>and=20
  keeps the baby count down, the perfect solution to a nonexistent=20
  <BR>requirement.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message =
<A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net">news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the =
firewall=20
  <BR>protects against incoming traffic, the primary purpose for which =
most=20
  people <BR>want and use a firewall.&nbsp; The ratings here are those =
for once=20
  pregnant, how <BR>well do you keep the baby from=20
  escaping.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net">news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is sort=20
  of<BR>&nbsp; like a site saying you have to have unprotected sex with =
us=20
  before you can<BR>&nbsp; see how we rate birth control =
methods..<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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