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Text 15717, 207 rader
Skriven 2007-01-28 09:16:12 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15715 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Software firewalls
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   OneCare.  We discussed it here.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45bcd72e$3@w3.nls.net...
  I don't know "OneCare" what was it's previous name?

  Anyway, I got an error message the other day from one of my apps, it =
said it=20
  couldn't modify the windows firewall (because I've disabled it) which =
I=20
  thought was pretty funny. IMO apps are not supposed to change my =
firewall=20
  settings, I mean what other reason is there to run a firewall when I'm =

  sitting behind a NAT device..

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45bc1d82$1@w3.nls.net...
     No.  Microsoft has provided an outbound firewall in various forms =
for=20
  years.  Windows Live OneCare and Windows Vista both provide a consumer =
level=20
  one.  Windows Vista provides enterprise level features as well in the =
same=20
  firewall.  Still, except for anal folks like some of those here, most =
people=20
  don't really use these at least not how described here.

     We discussed the OneCare outbound filtering in detail earlier.  You =
can=20
  go back and look it up.  I'm sure you put it out of your mind because =
you=20
  prefer to believe what you want to.

     I wouldn't trust any outbound filtering for malware on an infected=20
  machine.  The infected machine enforces what to allow or not and since =
the=20
  machine is infected you can't trust it.  I could trust one to =
implement=20
  policy for non-malicious applications.

     Your repeated phone home noise is as boring as it is bogus.  Find=20
  something interesting and relevant to say instead.

  Rich


    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net...
    Exactly, why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built =
in 10
    baby per second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets software =
phone=20
  home
    and keeps the baby count down, the perfect solution to a nonexistent
    requirement.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net...
       It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the=20
  firewall
    protects against incoming traffic, the primary purpose for which =
most=20
  people
    want and use a firewall.  The ratings here are those for once =
pregnant,=20
  how
    well do you keep the baby from escaping.

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net...
      I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is =
sort of
      like a site saying you have to have unprotected sex with us before =
you=20
  can
      see how we rate birth control methods..

      Geo.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; OneCare.&nbsp; We =
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bcd72e$3@w3.nls.net">news:45bcd72e$3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>I=20
  don't know "OneCare" what was it's previous name?<BR><BR>Anyway, I got =
an=20
  error message the other day from one of my apps, it said it =
<BR>couldn't=20
  modify the windows firewall (because I've disabled it) which I =
<BR>thought was=20
  pretty funny. IMO apps are not supposed to change my firewall =
<BR>settings, I=20
  mean what other reason is there to run a firewall when I'm <BR>sitting =
behind=20
  a NAT device..<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A =

  =
href=3D"news:45bc1d82$1@w3.nls.net">news:45bc1d82$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  No.&nbsp; Microsoft has provided an outbound firewall in various forms =
for=20
  <BR>years.&nbsp; Windows Live OneCare and Windows Vista both provide a =

  consumer level <BR>one.&nbsp; Windows Vista provides enterprise level =
features=20
  as well in the same <BR>firewall.&nbsp; Still, except for anal folks =
like some=20
  of those here, most people <BR>don't really use these at least not how =

  described here.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; We discussed the OneCare outbound=20
  filtering in detail earlier.&nbsp; You can <BR>go back and look it =
up.&nbsp;=20
  I'm sure you put it out of your mind because you <BR>prefer to believe =
what=20
  you want to.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; I wouldn't trust any outbound =
filtering for=20
  malware on an infected <BR>machine.&nbsp; The infected machine =
enforces what=20
  to allow or not and since the <BR>machine is infected you can't trust=20
  it.&nbsp; I could trust one to implement <BR>policy for non-malicious=20
  applications.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your repeated phone home noise is as =
boring=20
  as it is bogus.&nbsp; Find <BR>something interesting and relevant to =
say=20
  instead.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net">news:45bc195e@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;=20
  Exactly, why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built in =

  10<BR>&nbsp; baby per second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets =
software=20
  phone <BR>home<BR>&nbsp; and keeps the baby count down, the perfect =
solution=20
  to a nonexistent<BR>&nbsp; requirement.<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net">news:45bc1a20@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the=20
  <BR>firewall<BR>&nbsp; protects against incoming traffic, the primary =
purpose=20
  for which most <BR>people<BR>&nbsp; want and use a firewall.&nbsp; The =
ratings=20
  here are those for once pregnant, <BR>how<BR>&nbsp; well do you keep =
the baby=20
  from escaping.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net">news:45bc18fa$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is sort=20
  of<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; like a site saying you have to have =
unprotected sex=20
  with us before you <BR>can<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; see how we rate birth =
control=20
  methods..<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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