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Skriven 2007-02-22 07:45:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Legacy setup program behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Downlevel, no.  ISVs can declare the elevation behavior as long =
documented for Windows Vista without any compatibility issues for = downlevel
releases of Windows.  This is for legacy programs only which = do not have such
a declaration not dowlevel programs which support older = releases of Windows.

   Beyond that, we are discussing that very small subset of setup =
programs that don't require admin permission because they don't actually =
install anything in Program Files, the Windows or system directories, or =
anywhere else administrator restricted.  I don't think you or anyone has =
actually identified any of these.  For these, allows, of course not.  =
Defaults to prompt for, I believe yes.

Rich
  "John Beckett" <johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau> wrote in message =
news:d9hqt2hsiv586d2bv00fo203h3mspp34b2@4ax.com...
  OK thanks.

  I infer that for some downlevel setup programs, Vista allows only =
"don't
  run" and "run will full privilege" as was originally claimed.

  John

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<45dc6869$1@w3.nls.net>:
  >    I don't know anything about the decision process but as I =
mentioned before I suspect it is app compat especially because it is for =
rarely executed setup programs only.  If there were an option to run = without
elevation then it is both more complicated because the user who = likely has no
knowledge of what is required now has three choices.  The = two choices are
simple, run or don't run.  Now even if they trust the = application they must
choose between two different forms of run.  Worse, = running without elevation
may appear to succeed but actually fail = silently.
  >=20
  >    Also, this is legacy only behavior.  Any new setup program should =
declare its behavior, again as I described before.
  >=20
  > Rich
  >=20
  >   "John Beckett" <johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau> wrote in message =
news:dgunt29k3n9e2jo4scit8eq83tl7066rps@4ax.com...
  >=20
  >=20
  >   Anyway, the above is all peripheral. I'm still curious about =
whether Vista
  >   really does allow only "don't run" and "run with full privilege" =
on an exe
  >   that it determines is a setup program (presumably a downlevel =
setup
  >   program).
  >=20
  >   John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Downlevel, no.&nbsp; ISVs =
can declare=20
the elevation behavior as long documented for Windows Vista without any=20
compatibility issues for downlevel releases of Windows.&nbsp; This is = for
legacy=20
programs only which do not have such a declaration not dowlevel programs =
which=20
support older releases of Windows.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Beyond that, we are =
discussing that=20
very small subset of setup programs that don't require admin permission =
because=20
they don't actually install anything in Program Files, the Windows or =
system=20
directories, or anywhere else administrator restricted.&nbsp; I don't = think
you=20
or anyone has actually identified any of these.&nbsp; For these, allows, =
of=20
course not.&nbsp; Defaults to prompt for, I believe yes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV>"John Beckett" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau">johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau</A>&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:d9hqt2hsiv586d2bv00fo203h3mspp34b2@4ax.com">news:d9hqt2hsiv5=
86d2bv00fo203h3mspp34b2@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>OK=20
  thanks.<BR><BR>I infer that for some downlevel setup programs, Vista =
allows=20
  only "don't<BR>run" and "run will full privilege" as was originally=20
  claimed.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:<45dc6869$1@w3.nls.net">news:&lt;45dc6869$1@w3.nls.net</A>&g=
t;:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I don't know anything about the decision process but as I mentioned =
before I=20
  suspect it is app compat especially because it is for rarely executed =
setup=20
  programs only.&nbsp; If there were an option to run without elevation =
then it=20
  is both more complicated because the user who likely has no knowledge =
of what=20
  is required now has three choices.&nbsp; The two choices are simple, =
run or=20
  don't run.&nbsp; Now even if they trust the application they must =
choose=20
  between two different forms of run.&nbsp; Worse, running without =
elevation may=20
  appear to succeed but actually fail silently.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, this is legacy only behavior.&nbsp; =
Any new=20
  setup program should declare its behavior, again as I described=20
  before.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Rich<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "John =
Beckett"=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau">johnXsecondary@tpgXcomXau</A>&g=
t;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:dgunt29k3n9e2jo4scit8eq83tl7066rps@4ax.com">news:dgunt29k3n9=
e2jo4scit8eq83tl7066rps@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyway, the above is all peripheral. I'm =
still=20
  curious about whether Vista<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; really does allow only =
"don't=20
  run" and "run with full privilege" on an exe<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; that =
it=20
  determines is a setup program (presumably a downlevel=20
  setup<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; program).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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