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Text 1691, 150 rader
Skriven 2005-01-01 18:57:10 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 1687 av Mike N. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Usage history
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Cookies are a poor comparison.  User's have control over their =
cookies whether they exercise it or not.

   Your claim re Passport is a false one.  You don't need to look at Jet =
Blue.  Look at ebay or amazon or any of a large number of sites, = involved in
commerce or otherwise, that use authentication.  For = authenticated access
they don't need to use any tricks.  They users have = explicitly authenticated
with their systems and they use the identity = (however they handle this
internally) of their authenticated user.  The = means of authentication is
irrelevant and there may, and in the case of = ebay are, multiple mechanisms. 
Some of these sites also allow = non-authenticated access for some activities. 
I haven't looked but have = no doubt that some use cookies or other unreliable
mechanism to both = increase the level of service they provide to users and
there knowledge = of the unauthenticated activity of these users.  The
authentication = mechanism, at least Passport and standard HTTP auth
mechanisms, provide = no help or harm.

   It is obvious that if you authenticate your authenticated identity is =
known.  If you want to be anonymous, don't authenticate using any = personally
identifable info.  If you want to authenticate but fear that = someone may try
to make correlations between your usage, use multiple = identities.  The trade
off between unease of use your paranoia is up to = you.  I suggest you only use
internet cafes for which you pay by cash as = your ISP, like george, can watch
all your activity.

Rich

  "Mike N." <mike@u-spam-u-die.net> wrote in message =
news:glbet0l4t9ipd1mfk1dpi1orp9i5egmud1@4ax.com...
  On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:36:48 -0800, "Rich" <@> wrote:

  >Single signin is not tracking.=20

    Correct, it is not tracking.  Like cookies, everyone fears what =
could
  happen to their privacy.   This would be so easy for the government to =
tap
  into.  When were credentials accessed? What site were they applied to?

    Like the JetBlue privacy fiasco - in which they cross mined =
databases to
  personally identify millions of customers; one of the sources was =
cookies
  from an unidentified source.  That source could have been Double Click =
for
  example.   If everyone had been using Passport, it could have been
  Passport.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Cookies are a poor =
comparison.&nbsp;=20
User's have control over their cookies whether they exercise it or=20
not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your claim re Passport is =
a false=20
one.&nbsp; You don't need to look at Jet Blue.&nbsp; Look at ebay or = amazon
or=20
any of a large number of sites, involved in commerce or otherwise, that =
use=20
authentication.&nbsp; For authenticated access they don't need to use = any=20
tricks.&nbsp; They users have explicitly authenticated with their = systems
and=20
they use the identity (however they handle this internally) of their=20
authenticated user.&nbsp; The means of authentication is irrelevant and =
there=20
may, and in the case of ebay are, multiple mechanisms.&nbsp; Some of = these
sites=20
also allow non-authenticated access for some activities.&nbsp; I haven't =
looked=20
but have no doubt that some use cookies or other unreliable mechanism to =
both=20
increase the level of service they provide to users and there knowledge = of
the=20
unauthenticated activity of these users.&nbsp; The authentication = mechanism,
at=20
least Passport and standard HTTP auth mechanisms, provide no help or=20
harm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It is obvious that if you =
authenticate=20
your authenticated identity is known.&nbsp; If you want to be anonymous, =
don't=20
authenticate using any personally identifable info.&nbsp; If you want to =

authenticate but fear that someone may try to make correlations between =
your=20
usage, use multiple identities.&nbsp; The trade off between unease of = use
your=20
paranoia is up to you.&nbsp; I suggest you only use internet cafes for = which
you=20
pay by cash as your ISP, like george, can watch all your =
activity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Mike N." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike@u-spam-u-die.net">mike@u-spam-u-die.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:glbet0l4t9ipd1mfk1dpi1orp9i5egmud1@4ax.com">news:glbet0l4t9i=
pd1mfk1dpi1orp9i5egmud1@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>On=20
  Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:36:48 -0800, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;Single=20
  signin is not tracking. <BR><BR>&nbsp; Correct, it is not =
tracking.&nbsp; Like=20
  cookies, everyone fears what could<BR>happen to their =
privacy.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  This would be so easy for the government to tap<BR>into.&nbsp; When =
were=20
  credentials accessed? What site were they applied to?<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
Like the=20
  JetBlue privacy fiasco - in which they cross mined databases =
to<BR>personally=20
  identify millions of customers; one of the sources was cookies<BR>from =
an=20
  unidentified source.&nbsp; That source could have been Double Click=20
  for<BR>example.&nbsp;&nbsp; If everyone had been using Passport, it =
could have=20
  been<BR>Passport.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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