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Text 17046, 177 rader
Skriven 2007-03-11 20:33:28 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 17044 av John Cuccia (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Daylight-Saving Time Woes
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   You can infer what you want but it doesn't mean it is supported by =
the statement from which you made the inference.  If you look at the of = the
copies of CDO you might see that it contains references to the Win32 = API
GetTimeZoneInformation from which you can infer and supports that = your
inference is incorrect.

Rich

  "John Cuccia" <jcuccia@bigfoot.com> wrote in message =
news:9sg9v21tnnr509e6o15qca7equ9534ut6g@4ax.com...
  On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:40:21 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:

  >   I never said or implied that CDO ignores the OS timezone facility.

  I confirmed that in the message below.    The inference is mine.

  > All you can infer from the KB article which I quoted is that in =
addition to the OS, CDO contains some time zone tables.

  Actually, I can infer anything I want, and I take "CDO-based
  programs...depend on separate internal time zone tables" to mean that
  CDO doesn't use the OS timezone tables.

  And I think that is ridiculous.

  >Rich
  >
  >  "John Cuccia" <jcuccia@bigfoot.com> wrote in message =
news:0vs8v2la4von7nlj149699sv5luhfsch74@4ax.com...
  >  Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.  What you said,
  >  exactly, was
  >
  >  'The other, according to the KB,
  >  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D926666, is that "Collaboration =
Data
  >  Objects (CDO)-based programs such as Outlook Web Access depend on
  >  separate internal time zone tables" '
  >
  >  That doesn't change the fact that is indeed stupid for an app or an
  >  app framework or object library, or whatever CDO is, to ignore the =
OS
  >  timezone facility.  It created lots of extra work for Exchange =
admins
  >  and for MS developers.
  >
  >
  >  On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:55:53 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >
  >  >   I didn't say this or anything close.  What I mentioned is what =
is in the KB article which is that there are some private tables in CDO = which
affects CDO clients like OWA.
  >  >
  >  >Rich
  >  >
  >  >  "John Cuccia" <jcuccia@bigfoot.com> wrote in message =
news:nmi8v294gnregrd894kk66cmj7as5uflu4@4ax.com...
  >  >     =20
  >  >  Where MS really caused problems is with pieces like Exchange =
Server
  >  >  Outlook Web Access.  As Rich mentioned earlier, it ignores the =
OS
  >  >  timezone definitions and uses its own. =20
  >  >
  >  >  That's just stupid.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You can infer what you =
want but it=20
doesn't mean it is supported by the statement from which you made the=20
inference.&nbsp; If you look at the of the copies of CDO you might see = that
it=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"John Cuccia" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jcuccia@bigfoot.com">jcuccia@bigfoot.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:9sg9v21tnnr509e6o15qca7equ9534ut6g@4ax.com">news:9sg9v21tnnr=
509e6o15qca7equ9534ut6g@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>On=20
  Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:40:21 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I never said or implied that CDO =
ignores the OS=20
  timezone facility.<BR><BR>I confirmed that in the message=20
  below.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The inference is mine.<BR><BR>&gt; All you =
can infer=20
  from the KB article which I quoted is that in addition to the OS, CDO =
contains=20
  some time zone tables.<BR><BR>Actually, I can infer anything I want, =
and I=20
  take "CDO-based<BR>programs...depend on separate internal time zone =
tables" to=20
  mean that<BR>CDO doesn't use the OS timezone tables.<BR><BR>And I =
think that=20
  is ridiculous.<BR><BR>&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "John Cuccia" =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jcuccia@bigfoot.com">jcuccia@bigfoot.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:0vs8v2la4von7nlj149699sv5luhfsch74@4ax.com">news:0vs8v2la4vo=
n7nlj149699sv5luhfsch74@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.&nbsp; What you=20
  said,<BR>&gt;&nbsp; exactly, was<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; 'The other, =
according=20
  to the KB,<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D926666">http://support.micro=
soft.com/?kbid=3D926666</A>,=20
  is that "Collaboration Data<BR>&gt;&nbsp; Objects (CDO)-based programs =
such as=20
  Outlook Web Access depend on<BR>&gt;&nbsp; separate internal time zone =
tables"=20
  '<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; That doesn't change the fact that is indeed =
stupid for=20
  an app or an<BR>&gt;&nbsp; app framework or object library, or =
whatever CDO=20
  is, to ignore the OS<BR>&gt;&nbsp; timezone facility.&nbsp; It created =
lots of=20
  extra work for Exchange admins<BR>&gt;&nbsp; and for MS=20
  developers.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:55:53 =
-0700,=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
didn't say=20
  this or anything close.&nbsp; What I mentioned is what is in the KB =
article=20
  which is that there are some private tables in CDO which affects CDO =
clients=20
  like OWA.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "John Cuccia" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jcuccia@bigfoot.com">jcuccia@bigfoot.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:nmi8v294gnregrd894kk66cmj7as5uflu4@4ax.com">news:nmi8v294gnr=
egrd894kk66cmj7as5uflu4@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Where MS =
really=20
  caused problems is with pieces like Exchange Server<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Outlook Web Access.&nbsp; As Rich mentioned earlier, it ignores the=20
  OS<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; timezone definitions and uses its =
own.&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; That's just=20
stupid.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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