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Skriven 2007-04-29 20:07:34 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 17594 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: 0wning Vista from the boot
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From: Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com>

>Where
>they have a gripe is in restrictions Microsoft, with Vista, is placing on
>the operating systems that are allowed to be virtualized.

That doesn't make sense as the same restrictions apply to OS's running under
both Microsoft and VMWare products, there's no difference.

>VMware will also
>be hurt in their Data Center virtualization products if Microsoft makes
>headway with Viridian - but that's just the whine of competition there.

Exactly -- and there is time to continue building a better product. (and they
do have the better product right now with a lions share of the market)

>VMware will have it tough  in the Mac environment also as they started late
>and Parallels has more features

Parallels is also pushing into the Windows scene too, but it's pretty similar
to VMWare's Workstation product there. (except it's cheaper)

--
Bob Comer



On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:47:01 -0400, "Rich Gauszka"
<gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote:

>VMware gives away virtualization products also ( Player and Server ). Where
>they have a gripe is in restrictions Microsoft, with Vista, is placing on
>the operating systems that are allowed to be virtualized. VMware will also
>be hurt in their Data Center virtualization products if Microsoft makes
>headway with Viridian - but that's just the whine of competition there.
>
>VMware will have it tough  in the Mac environment also as they started late
>and Parallels has more features
>
>
>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:rul93316errq16bma6uq2l08i13mdh2em9@4ax.com...
>> >http://www.crn.com/software/197008888
>>
>> I read that before, it's just hot air, Microsoft's licensing doesn't
>> favor their virtualization over others as it's applied equally.
>>
>> To me, VMWare only valid complaint is Microsoft is giving the tech
>> away and VMWare's charging for it (sometimes).  We've seen that
>> before...
>>
>> Anyway, VMWare still has enough differentiation in capability that
>> they wont be going away anytime soon, and the free pricing of
>> Microsoft products was pretty much caused by VMWare, so I don't have
>> much sympathy. (They gave away VMWare player and VMWare Server away
>> free before Microsoft started the same.)
>>
>> As an aside, VMWare is also feeling pressure from others than
>> Microsoft, Parallels on the Wintel side, and Xen on the Linux side...
>> (and others)
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:01:46 -0400, "Rich Gauszka"
>> <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I doubt you'll see any direct statement from Microsoft. MS does plan to
>>>include their Viridian hypervisor in future offerings though and VMware
>>>has
>>>been crying foul for months. Although VMware does seem a bit more upset
>>>with
>>>Microsoft's licensing restrictions
>>>
>>>http://www.crn.com/software/197008888
>>>
>>>"Their tactics are focused on software licensing and distribution terms
>>>for
>>>SQL Server, Exchange, Windows Server, Vista and through the APIs and
>>>formats
>>>for virtualized Windows," according to the white paper, which highlights
>>>seven ways Microsoft is allegedly forcing customers to its own solution.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:v9f933tmp433fcidvmj60s3icd6ppp66o3@4ax.com...
>>>>I have yet to see a Microsoft spokesman say that so I can't tell...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:42:32 -0400, mike <mike@barkto.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:08:57 -0400, Robert Comer
>>>>><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've read Microsoft spokespeople firmly stating that Microsoft wants
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>control the interface to the hardware, and not run on top of a
>>>>>>>hypervisor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>??  They're making their own hypervisor *and* supporting other
>>>>>>hypervisors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean a Microsoft spokesperson lied?
>>>>>
>>>>>The horror!
>>>>>
>>>>> /m
>>>
>

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