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Kommentar till text 1778 av Geo (1:379/45)
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From: "Rich" <@>
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You are all over the map. I remember your mention of autologon. We =
discussed it if you remember. Please don't try to claim that it = indicates
that people don't trust their computers. That would be = nonsense. All your
examples have been problems that other people have = that you claim imply that
they distrust the computer instead of the = people behind their problems.
Email viruses are not a problem for anyone I know as they rarely get =
any and when they do the AV software blocks it. You may have to deal = with
folks that are more easily prayed upon or maybe you personally get = rooted
often. When I am asked why some particular message was blocked = by AV it is
not distrust in the computer that comes up, it is distrust = in the folks that
send the viruses just like there is distrust in the = spammers. Some folks do
question why the ISPs let this happen but we = shouldn't discuss that as I know
you are very sensitive about how = vulnerable people are to their ISPs and your
attempt to deflect this = elsewhere.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:41dc899c$1@w3.nls.net...
I haven't made any leaps, I've been trying to explain to you why =
people don't trust their computers. Remember I spoke about the autologin =
thing and the security implications of that on a laptop, you were the = one
talking spyware. And trojans are as common as email virus, how that = compares
to spyware I don't know, there is probably more spyware but = email virus are
quite common. Most email virus lead to rooted systems if = not removed fairly
soon.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41dc235f@w3.nls.net...
Now you make the leap from spyware to being trojaned. That's =
quite a leap. Common as it may be, trojans are not as common as = spyware. No
one I know with spyware problems has been rooted.
I'm sure aunt elma is upset that her computer is sending porn. I =
would be too. Are you claiming that aunt elma makes the leap from that, =
however she knew that, to being spied upon without something planting = that
idea in her head?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:41dbcdf2@w3.nls.net...
You probably need to get exposure to the folks that abuse@ for an =
ISP talks to before you get a real feel for how people respond to being =
trojaned. You are talking about adware, I'm talking about being rooted. = Aunt
Elma may not like the ads that popup, but imagine her reaction when = she's
informed that her computer is being used to send porno spams..
btw, if you get the chance, pat the sp2 folks on the back for me, =
it really is making a difference.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41db45f2$1@w3.nls.net...
I disagree with this on several levels.
First, the folks I know that got infected with spyware were =
not at all concerned with spying and would consider the name a misnomer. =
Their complaints are popup ads (e.g. adware), home page hijacking, or =
their normal activities (e.g. browsing, email) are broken. Not a one = has
ever expressed concern or even asked if anyone is spying on them. = You may
fear this because you are either more sophisticated or more = paranoid.
None of these people have expressed distrust for their =
computer. The express distrust in the folks that would pray on them and =
frustration with the computer and their inability to fix things. Maybe = you
know folks that distrust the thing instead the people or maybe you = are
speaking for yourself.
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You are all over the =
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Please don't try to claim that it indicates that people don't trust = their=20
computers. That would be nonsense. All your examples have = been=20
problems that other people have that you claim imply that they distrust =
the=20
computer instead of the people behind their problems.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Email viruses are not a =
problem for=20
anyone I know as they rarely get any and when they do the AV software =
blocks=20
it. You may have to deal with folks that are more easily prayed = upon
or=20
maybe you personally get rooted often. When I am asked why some =
particular=20
message was blocked by AV it is not distrust in the computer that comes = up,
it=20
is distrust in the folks that send the viruses just like there is = distrust
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the spammers. Some folks do question why the ISPs let this happen = but
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elsewhere.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I haven't made any leaps, I've been =
trying to=20
explain to you why people don't trust their computers. Remember I =
spoke about=20
the autologin thing and the security implications of that on a laptop, =
you=20
were the one talking spyware. And trojans are as common as email =
virus,=20
how that compares to spyware I don't know, there is probably more =
spyware but=20
email virus are quite common. Most email virus lead to rooted systems =
if not=20
removed fairly soon.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Now you make the leap =
from spyware=20
to being trojaned. That's quite a leap. Common as it may =
be,=20
trojans are not as common as spyware. No one I know with =
spyware=20
problems has been rooted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm sure aunt elma is =
upset that=20
her computer is sending porn. I would be too. Are you =
claiming=20
that aunt elma makes the leap from that, however she knew that, to =
being=20
spied upon without something planting that idea in her =
head?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You probably need to get exposure =
to the=20
folks that abuse@ for an ISP talks to before you get a real feel =
for how=20
people respond to being trojaned. You are talking about adware, =
I'm=20
talking about being rooted. Aunt Elma may not like the ads that =
popup, but=20
imagine her reaction when she's informed that her computer is =
being used=20
to send porno spams..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>btw, if you get the chance, pat =
the sp2 folks=20
on the back for me, it really is making a difference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I disagree with =
this on=20
several levels.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> First, the folks I =
know that=20
got infected with spyware were not at all concerned with spying =
and=20
would consider the name a misnomer. Their complaints are =
popup ads=20
(e.g. adware), home page hijacking, or their normal =
activities=20
(e.g. browsing, email) are broken. Not a one has ever =
expressed=20
concern or even asked if anyone is spying on them. You may =
fear=20
this because you are either more sophisticated or more=20
paranoid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> None of these =
people have=20
expressed distrust for their computer. The express =
distrust in the=20
folks that would pray on them and frustration with the computer =
and=20
their inability to fix things. Maybe you know folks that =
distrust=20
the thing instead the people or maybe you are speaking for=20
yourself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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