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Ärende: Re: Your next PC is... a phone
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You are being rediculous. Does your smartphone even support a large =
external disk? A terrabyte external disk and exclosure is much larger = than a
phone and requires an external power supply. That is assuming it = will even
work. Again, even with USB 2.0 on a phone it doesn't make it = a PC.
Your reference to mirror bit may be interesting but it is off topic. =
A phone doesn't have the RAM of a PC and it does make a difference.
We weren't talking about your music habits. I believe you believe =
your phone is a PC replacement when you and your family get rid of your = PCs.
I'm not talking 5 years from now. I think we can both agree that = the power
of small form factor devices like phones will continue to = increase. Phones
won't become PCs but phones will likely be able to be = docked in a manner so
that the docked combination is PC like.
Rich
"Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com> wrote in message =
news:46554f1a@w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> Even if you have USB 2.0 on a phone it does not make it a PC.
>
Indeed not however it opens up the terrabytes of storage option =
without=20
increasing the size of the platform while also increasing the range &=20
scope of any add-ons.
e.g. imagine a phone with say linux on board & a USB2.0 port. Heck you =
could even plug in a digital tv usb device.
> Solid state is faster than disk not RAM.
> =20
Indeed but RAM costs in terms of energy use & thus battery life though =
people are looking at how to combine the best of both e.g.
http://www.spansion.com/products/MirrorBit_Eclipse.html
& RAM which only turns on as you need it.
> Of course you and your family carry phones not PCs. So what? =
Again,=20
> I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when you and =
your=20
> family get rid of your PCs. If you keep your PCs then you are=20
> demonstrating that the phone is not sufficient.
> =20
Right now. However things are pointing towards the phone. e.g. wrt=20
digital music I have a mp3 player in my phone & on my PC. Ditto my =
son.=20
In both case the amout of music we listen to is vastly greater on the=20
phone than on the PC. 5 years ago simply was not able to listen to=20
music on a phone & thus all my mp3 listening was on my PC or I had to=20
make a CD by turning the mp3'es into wavs & burning a cd-r.
My calendar is now basically entirely based round my phone where my pc =
based calendar is used as a backup & a network asset (i.e. to allow=20
others to see my schedule or to add events for me). I then sync (via a =
USB port) in a few seconds et voila.
Ditto my notes/todo etc.
i.e. my phone is now my PIM.
I have friends who have the larger screen pda style mobiles who also=20
basically have their phones as their primary PIM + email.
Little by little, function by function much as the PC rose. Yes Web=20
browsing is still a pain though doable (e.g. I tend to check train =
times=20
on my mobile).
Remember when the idea of running say a serious multi-user database on =
a=20
PC was greeted with hoots of laughter by most?
Once the screen/display issue is dealt with then you're basically =
going=20
to see all the std office/productivity apps move to the phone inc web=20
browsing, mail, PIM, office stuff (wp, spreadsheets, personal database =
etc).
Got an LCD tv? Got a smartphone? Got a bluetooth keyboard with =
trackpad=20
or bluetooth mouse? got an external USB2.0 storage device...=20
Sorted.....why do you have that big noisy PC....?
Adam
> Rich
> =20
>=20
> "Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com
> <mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com>> wrote in =
message
> news:46542c21@w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
> > Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf and
> capacity of
> > PCs even those few years old.
>=20
> (A) IO perf
>=20
> Why fit something like :
>=20
> "The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications =
processor
> based
> on the ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most
> power-efficient processor ever developed by ARM. With the =
ability to
> scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8
> processor
> can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices =
needing
> operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer
> applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS. "
>=20
> if you're not going to have the IO required to feed the cpu?
>=20
> RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are smaller.
>=20
> (B) Capacity?
>=20
> Mobile phones & digicams are driving solid state storage not the =
PC &
> it's the PC which is moving towards the mobile phone & not the =
other
> way
> around on that.
>=20
> e.g.
>=20
> =
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/
>=20
> ""More than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by Q4 =
2009,"
> shouts the headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, =
before
> admitting soon after that, actually, it's counting not just =
solid-state
> drives but also regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and =
separate
> caches like Intel's Turbo Memory module.
>=20
> Still, it shows that non-volatile storage chips are going play =
an
> increasingly important part in laptop design going forward from =
the
> handful - if that - of machines available today with built-in =
Flash."
>=20
> or:
>=20
> =
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_laptops/=
>=20
> "SanDisk has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook =
makers
> less than a week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured =
sub-notebook
> will
> only contain Flash storage."
>=20
> Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft operating system even =
supports
> solid state storage.
>=20
>=20
> > Sure I can add a memory card to my phone
> > but I could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.
>=20
> My my a MS person saying solid state =3D slow? So why are the =
vista
> people
> so keen to boot from it?
>=20
>=20
> > My PC of several
> > years back had a terrabyte of storage.
>=20
> Well done you. I take it this was in a mobile computer. If not =
then
> gosh
> many smartphones come with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using =
that
> should I wish to.
>=20
>=20
> > Phones are nowhere close.
>=20
> With USB2.0 they are exactly where the PC is.
>=20
> > RAM
> > of a phone, not flash storage, is low and usually in the tens =
or if
> > lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.
>=20
> &? Not every OS needs gigabytes of RAM. I accept that Vista does =
but
> heck not every PC has gigabytes of RAM.
>=20
> In fact none of mine have over 1 Gb.
>=20
> > Display size of phones
> > is tiny.
>=20
> Indeed. This is the problem I have been referring to but it is =
soluble
> especially if docked in some fashion.
>=20
> > Human interface input limited though because perf is not an
> > issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones =
such
> as mine.
> >=20
> > All in all, a phone makes a crappy PC.
>=20
> A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't taken off, nor =
have
> micro/sub laptops.
>=20
> As the PC has found it's much easier to occupy the low ground & =
then
> grow than to occupy the high ground and then try to scale down.
>=20
> I very much like my
> > smartphone and it is good at what it does. It doesn't do =
what a
> PC does
> > nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone =
can do
> like
> > email and web access.
> >=20
>=20
> Shrug. The only thing stopping that is display size. My 3G
> connection is
> at teh moment slightly faster than my broadband though I am =
about to
> upgrade my broadband speed so....
>=20
>=20
> > I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you get rid of =
all
> the
> > PCs you and your family have at home and use only your =
phones.
> >=20
>=20
> I know which I have with me habitually & which my family members =
have
> with them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but =
take
> his
> mobile phone off him & there'd be war.
>=20
> I know a number of people who via bluetooth keyboards use their =
phones
> for all note-taking etc in meetings. Fewer & fewer are bringing =
laptops
> unless they're doing a powerpoint style presentation.
>=20
>=20
> It's down to display size. Once they have that figured out then =
many
> PC'es will be replaced with smartphones.
>=20
> Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You are being =
rediculous. Does=20
your smartphone even support a large external disk? A terrabyte =
external=20
disk and exclosure is much larger than a phone and requires an external =
power=20
supply. That is assuming it will even work. Again, even with = USB
2.0=20
on a phone it doesn't make it a PC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Your reference to mirror =
bit may be=20
interesting but it is off topic. A phone doesn't have the RAM of a = PC
and=20
it does make a difference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> We weren't talking about =
your music=20
habits. I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when = you
and=20
your family get rid of your PCs. I'm not talking 5 years from =
now. I=20
think we can both agree that the power of small form factor devices like =
phones=20
will continue to increase. Phones won't become PCs but phones will =
likely=20
be able to be docked in a manner so that the docked combination is PC=20
like.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Ad" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:46554f1a@w3.nls.net">news:46554f1a@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Ri=
ch=20
wrote:<BR>> Even if you have USB 2.0 on a phone =
it does=20
not make it a PC.<BR>><BR><BR>Indeed not however it opens up the =
terrabytes=20
of storage option without <BR>increasing the size of the platform =
while also=20
increasing the range & <BR>scope of any add-ons.<BR><BR>e.g. =
imagine a=20
phone with say linux on board & a USB2.0 port. Heck you <BR>could =
even=20
plug in a digital tv usb device.<BR><BR>> Solid =
state is=20
faster than disk not RAM.<BR>> <BR><BR>Indeed but RAM costs =
in terms=20
of energy use & thus battery life though <BR>people are looking at =
how to=20
combine the best of both e.g.<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.spansion.com/products/MirrorBit_Eclipse.html">http://w=
ww.spansion.com/products/MirrorBit_Eclipse.html</A><BR><BR>&=20
RAM which only turns on as you need =
it.<BR><BR><BR>> Of=20
course you and your family carry phones not PCs. So what? =
Again,=20
<BR>> I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when you =
and=20
your <BR>> family get rid of your PCs. If you keep your PCs =
then you=20
are <BR>> demonstrating that the phone is not =
sufficient.<BR>> =20
<BR><BR>Right now. However things are pointing towards the phone. e.g. =
wrt=20
<BR>digital music I have a mp3 player in my phone & on my PC. =
Ditto my=20
son. <BR>In both case the amout of music we listen to is vastly =
greater on the=20
<BR>phone than on the PC. 5 years ago simply was not able to =
listen to=20
<BR>music on a phone & thus all my mp3 listening was on my PC or I =
had to=20
<BR>make a CD by turning the mp3'es into wavs & burning a =
cd-r.<BR><BR>My=20
calendar is now basically entirely based round my phone where my pc =
<BR>based=20
calendar is used as a backup & a network asset (i.e. to allow =
<BR>others=20
to see my schedule or to add events for me). I then sync (via a =
<BR>USB port)=20
in a few seconds et voila.<BR><BR>Ditto my notes/todo etc.<BR><BR>i.e. =
my=20
phone is now my PIM.<BR><BR>I have friends who have the larger screen =
pda=20
style mobiles who also <BR>basically have their phones as their =
primary PIM +=20
email.<BR><BR>Little by little, function by function much as the PC =
rose. Yes=20
Web <BR>browsing is still a pain though doable (e.g. I tend to check =
train=20
times <BR>on my mobile).<BR><BR>Remember when the idea of running say =
a=20
serious multi-user database on a <BR>PC was greeted with hoots of =
laughter by=20
most?<BR><BR>Once the screen/display issue is dealt with then you're =
basically=20
going <BR>to see all the std office/productivity apps move to the =
phone inc=20
web <BR>browsing, mail, PIM, office stuff (wp, spreadsheets, personal =
database=20
etc).<BR><BR>Got an LCD tv? Got a smartphone? Got a bluetooth keyboard =
with=20
trackpad <BR>or bluetooth mouse? got an external USB2.0 storage =
device...=20
<BR>Sorted.....why do you have that big noisy=20
PC....?<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR>> Rich<BR>> <BR>>=20
<BR>> "Ad" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A><BR>> =20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">mailto:Dobbin@theS=
tablesCloseToTheAirport.com</A>>>=20
wrote in message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:46542c21@w3.nls.net">news:46542c21@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
Rich wrote:<BR>> =
> =20
Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf=20
and<BR>> capacity=20
of<BR>> > PCs even those few years =
old.<BR>> <BR>> (A) IO perf<BR>>=20
<BR>> Why fit something like :<BR>>=20
<BR>> "The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the =
first=20
applications processor<BR>> =20
based<BR>> on the ARMv7 architecture and is =
the=20
highest performance, most<BR>> =
power-efficient=20
processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability=20
to<BR>> scale in speed from 600MHz to =
greater than=20
1GHz, the Cortex-A8<BR>> =20
processor<BR>> can meet the requirements =
for=20
power-optimized mobile devices needing<BR>> =
operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized=20
consumer<BR>> applications requiring 2000 =
Dhrystone=20
MIPS. "<BR>> <BR>> if you're not going =
to have=20
the IO required to feed the cpu?<BR>> =
<BR>> RAM=20
etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are =
smaller.<BR>>=20
<BR>> (B) Capacity?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Mobile phones & digicams are =
driving=20
solid state storage not the PC &<BR>> =
it's the=20
PC which is moving towards the mobile phone & not the=20
other<BR>> =
way<BR>> =20
around on that.<BR>> <BR>> e.g.<BR>>=20
<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebook=
s/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/</=
A><BR>>=20
<BR>> ""More than half of new notebooks to =
use=20
Flash drives by Q4 2009,"<BR>> shouts the =
headline=20
on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive,=20
before<BR>> admitting soon after that, =
actually,=20
it's counting not just solid-state<BR>> =
drives but=20
also regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and=20
separate<BR>> caches like Intel's Turbo =
Memory=20
module.<BR>> <BR>> Still, it shows that=20
non-volatile storage chips are going play =
an<BR>> =20
increasingly important part in laptop design going forward from=20
the<BR>> handful - if that - of machines =
available=20
today with built-in Flash."<BR>> <BR>> =20
or:<BR>> <BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_=
laptops/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_fo=
r_laptops/</A><BR>>=20
<BR>> "SanDisk has begun offering a 32GB=20
solid-state drive to notebook makers<BR>> =
less than=20
a week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured=20
sub-notebook<BR>> =20
will<BR>> only contain Flash =
storage."<BR>>=20
<BR>> Gosh apparently even a recent =
Microsoft=20
operating system even supports<BR>> solid =
state=20
storage.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
> =20
Sure I can add a memory card to my =
phone<BR>> =20
> but I could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.<BR>>=20
<BR>> My my a MS person saying solid state =
=3D slow?=20
So why are the vista<BR>> =20
people<BR>> so keen to boot from =
it?<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> > My PC of=20
several<BR>> > years back had a =
terrabyte=20
of storage.<BR>> <BR>> Well done you. I =
take it=20
this was in a mobile computer. If not =
then<BR>> =20
gosh<BR>> many smartphones come with USB2.0 =
& I=20
can add 1 TB easily using that<BR>> should =
I wish=20
to.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > =
Phones are=20
nowhere close.<BR>> <BR>> With USB2.0 =
they are=20
exactly where the PC is.<BR>> =
<BR>> >=20
RAM<BR>> > of a phone, not flash =
storage,=20
is low and usually in the tens or =
if<BR>> =20
> lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.<BR>>=20
<BR>> &? Not every OS needs gigabytes =
of RAM. I=20
accept that Vista does but<BR>> heck not =
every PC=20
has gigabytes of RAM.<BR>> <BR>> In fact =
none of=20
mine have over 1 Gb.<BR>> <BR>> =
>=20
Display size of phones<BR>> > is=20
tiny.<BR>> <BR>> Indeed. This is the =
problem I=20
have been referring to but it is =
soluble<BR>> =20
especially if docked in some fashion.<BR>>=20
<BR>> > Human interface input =
limited=20
though because perf is not an<BR>> =
> issue=20
you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones=20
such<BR>> as=20
mine.<BR>> >=20
<BR>> > All in =
all, a=20
phone makes a crappy PC.<BR>> <BR>> A PC =
makes a=20
crappy small device. Tablets haven't taken off, nor=20
have<BR>> micro/sub laptops.<BR>>=20
<BR>> As the PC has found it's much easier =
to=20
occupy the low ground & then<BR>> grow =
than to=20
occupy the high ground and then try to scale down.<BR>>=20
<BR>> I very much like=20
my<BR>> > smartphone and it is =
good at=20
what it does. It doesn't do what =
a<BR>> PC=20
does<BR>> > nor is it as good as a =
PC for=20
many of the things the phone can do<BR>> =20
like<BR>> > email and web=20
access.<BR>> > <BR>>=20
<BR>> Shrug. The only thing stopping that =
is=20
display size. My 3G<BR>> connection=20
is<BR>> at teh moment slightly faster than =
my=20
broadband though I am about to<BR>> upgrade =
my=20
broadband speed so....<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> =20
> I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you =
get rid=20
of all<BR>> =20
the<BR>> > PCs you and your family =
have at=20
home and use only your phones.<BR>> =
>=20
<BR>> <BR>> I know which I have with me=20
habitually & which my family members =
have<BR>> =20
with them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but=20
take<BR>> =
his<BR>> =20
mobile phone off him & there'd be war.<BR>>=20
<BR>> I know a number of people who via =
bluetooth=20
keyboards use their phones<BR>> for all =
note-taking=20
etc in meetings. Fewer & fewer are bringing=20
laptops<BR>> unless they're doing a =
powerpoint=20
style presentation.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
It's=20
down to display size. Once they have that figured out then=20
many<BR>> PC'es will be replaced with=20
smartphones.<BR>> <BR>> =20
Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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