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Text 1870, 184 rader
Skriven 2005-01-10 15:09:44 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 1863 av Ellen K. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Usage history
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   I disagree.  Passport is no less anonymous than other signin =
mechanisms.  You are in control of the information you provide to create = your
signin.  If you want to lie then lie.

Rich

  "Ellen K." <72322.enno.esspeayem.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message =
news:c5h4u0p76hl80msc3pis0v1puf9k7erkpn@4ax.com...
  I think he wasn't addressing services claiming they don't disclose...
  his message gave examples of people trying to be anonymous... but
  someone trying to be anonymous wouldn't use Passport (unless they were
  REALLY stupid) so I'm not quite following the logic either.

  On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:04:25 -0800, "Rich" <@> wrote in message
  <41e1720a@w3.nls.net>:

  >   The fragment you chose to quote is interesting.  How many services =
claim that they do not disclose info as required by law?
  >
  >   The rest is garbage.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "Mike N." <mike@u-spam-u-die.net> wrote in message =
news:e8b2u0hias1bdkdgbe34mf26snbcna0ov4@4ax.com...
  >  On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:48:12 -0800, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >
  >  > If you mean to question what Passport is to Microsoft you should =
use Microsoft's claims about the service
  >
  >  http://www.passport.net/Consumer/PrivacyPolicy.asp?lc=3D1033
  >
  >  "NET Passport may disclose personal information if required to do =
so by law
  >  or in the good-faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) =
conform
  >  to legal requirements or comply with legal process served on =
Microsoft;"
  >
  >     This confirms the information I already had.  A single signon is =
for
  >  convenience, not security.  Sure your ISP can see what you're =
doing.  They
  >  can initiate a wiretap when served by a subpoena.  However there =
are many
  >  people for which this won't suffice -
  >     o terrorists who jump from Cafe to Cafe.
  >    o  commuters who use wireless internet services from Starbucks, =
at work,
  >  airports, etc.
  >    o Those who attempt to escape identity by wardriving from open =
wireless
  >  to open wireless LAN.
  >      Investigators would need to obtain subpoenas from thousands of =
ISPs to
  >  cover all activities of a person.   Alternatively, assuming that =
.NET is in
  >  widespread use, they would just need to subpoena Microsoft to get a
  >  complete profile of sites where a signon was used, and the IP
  >  address/date/time they were accessed from.
  >
  >     It still appears that if anyone gets your passport  login, they =
can
  >  assume your signon, just as if they are you.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp; Passport =
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anonymous than other signin&nbsp;mechanisms.&nbsp; You are in control of =
the=20
information you provide to create your signin.&nbsp; If you want to lie =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Ellen K." &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:72322.enno.esspeayem.1016@compuserve.com">72322.enno.esspe=
ayem.1016@compuserve.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:c5h4u0p76hl80msc3pis0v1puf9k7erkpn@4ax.com">news:c5h4u0p76hl=
80msc3pis0v1puf9k7erkpn@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>I=20
  think he wasn't addressing services claiming they don't =
disclose...<BR>his=20
  message gave examples of people trying to be anonymous... =
but<BR>someone=20
  trying to be anonymous wouldn't use Passport (unless they =
were<BR>REALLY=20
  stupid) so I'm not quite following the logic either.<BR><BR>On Sun, 9 =
Jan 2005=20
  10:04:25 -0800, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message<BR>&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:41e1720a@w3.nls.net">41e1720a@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;:<BR><BR>&=
gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The fragment you chose to quote is interesting.&nbsp; How many =
services claim=20
  that they do not disclose info as required by =
law?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The rest is garbage.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Mike =
N."=20
  &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@u-spam-u-die.net">mike@u-spam-u-die.net</A>&gt; = wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
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bdkdgbe34mf26snbcna0ov4@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:48:12 -0800, "Rich" &lt;@&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt; If you mean to question what =
Passport is to=20
  Microsoft you should use Microsoft's claims about the=20
  service<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.passport.net/Consumer/PrivacyPolicy.asp?lc=3D1033">htt=
p://www.passport.net/Consumer/PrivacyPolicy.asp?lc=3D1033</A><BR>&gt;<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  "NET Passport may disclose personal information if required to do so =
by=20
  law<BR>&gt;&nbsp; or in the good-faith belief that such action is =
necessary=20
  to: (a) conform<BR>&gt;&nbsp; to legal requirements or comply with =
legal=20
  process served on Microsoft;"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
This=20
  confirms the information I already had.&nbsp; A single signon is=20
  for<BR>&gt;&nbsp; convenience, not security.&nbsp; Sure your ISP can =
see what=20
  you're doing.&nbsp; They<BR>&gt;&nbsp; can initiate a wiretap when =
served by a=20
  subpoena.&nbsp; However there are many<BR>&gt;&nbsp; people for which =
this=20
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from=20
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  etc.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; o Those who attempt to escape identity =
by=20
  wardriving from open wireless<BR>&gt;&nbsp; to open wireless=20
  LAN.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Investigators would need to =
obtain=20
  subpoenas from thousands of ISPs to<BR>&gt;&nbsp; cover all activities =
of a=20
  person.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alternatively, assuming that .NET is =
in<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  widespread use, they would just need to subpoena Microsoft to get=20
  a<BR>&gt;&nbsp; complete profile of sites where a signon was used, and =
the=20
  IP<BR>&gt;&nbsp; address/date/time they were accessed=20
  from.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It still appears that if =
anyone=20
  gets your passport&nbsp; login, they can<BR>&gt;&nbsp; assume your =
signon,=20
  just as if they are you.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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