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Ärende: Re: Up button
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From: "Rich" <@>
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And here your example of the control panel is an example of something =
you don't like simply for being different. =20
Unrelated, your IE7 example is interesting because you are describing =
a feature in IE6.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net...
I like new functionality as a rule. I don't like losing functionality =
as a=20
rule.
So for example the new task manager or when I open my computer and see =
the=20
bar that shows how full a drive is, these are things I like. The new=20
"personalize" window (right click the desktop) sucks as does the =
default=20
view of control panel, those would be examples of bad change where =
it's like=20
Microsoft forgot why windows uses icons.
I also like IE7, it is more secure and I really like that it puts that =
line=20
at the top to explain what it did and easily let me do something =
unsafe when=20
it blocks something. It shows someone was thinking in that it give me=20
protection AND the power to easily override that protection so I'm in=20
control of the computer. This is the thinking MS needs more of.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net...
New things or changes? I can't remember examples of you liking =
change.=20
I'm sure you do have some examples but you post much more on how much =
you=20
like things how they were with one big obsession that you don't like =
UI=20
changes in particular.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net...
Seems to me I've posted lots of things I like about vista.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net...
Plenty of others have commented on how this change is an =
improvement.=20
I
would have to disagree that you like change. You post a lot on how =
much=20
you
dislike change and very rarely on change you like.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net...
I like change, when it makes things better.
You need to do some tech support with people who call ISP tech =
support.
Tell
them to click on the third parent and they'll tell you they only =
have=20
two
parents.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net...
Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing =
should=20
ever
change again. Good luck with that.
As for folks that can tell you the location currently viewed so =
you
know
they are three levels too deep and can count to three to click =
three=20
times
but can't click on the third parent, using the backspace is a fine =
idea.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message=20
news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net...
and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up =
arrow? You
are
on
the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too deep to go =
up=20
three
levels and you can't read the directory names, go ahead write up =
a=20
step
by
step that works for everyone like "click the up arrow 3 times". =
Oh=20
wait,
you
can't do that because the words change depending on where you =
are..
Sometimes consistency is a good thing. Especially if you do tech
support.
So
now instead of click the up arrow every procedure has to be =
changed to
hit
the back space key and explain which is the backspace and which =
is the
back
arrow keys..
Imagine what a colossal pain it would be to write a procedure =
like=20
this
if
the backspace key didn't work in previous versions, you would =
need a
different procedure for each version of windows.
Microsoft needs to realize one of the strengths of windows is =
that
everyone
knows how to use it so stop changing how to use it and instead =
build=20
on
this
huge advantage.
Geo.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rich" <@>
Newsgroups: homeless.barktopia.technoids
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Up button
Horrible analogy.
The new UI performs an up one level in a single mouse click =
just=20
like
the
old fixed purpose button. The new UI performs an up two levels =
in a
single
mouse click instead of two. The new UI performs an up three =
levels in=20
a
single mouse click instead of three.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message
news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net...
We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push =
back=20
on
the
seat to brake and pull on the steering wheel to accelerate, we =
find
this
much more intuitive... and since pulling on the wheel =
increases with
acceleration it's actually more efficient.
The up arrow is probably one of the most uses buttons. It was =
a
mistake
to
remove it and not even leave an option to turn it back on.
Geo. (ever few years I have to forget everything I know about
computers
and
start from scratch, why?)
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net...
I don't get this. The up one level button was removed =
because=20
the
address bar now has the ability to go up any level by clicking =
on=20
the
name
of any component in the hierarchy. It also has the ability to =
go to
any
child or sibling of any component by clicking on the down =
arrow=20
before
or
after components in the heirarchy.
Rich
"Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message
news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net...
>there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the =
point of
showing
this
>column?
I have very limited experience with Vista Explorer, but I =
concur
mightily
about the loss of the up button in the file-pick dialogue.
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<DIV>"Geo." <<A title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
title=3Dnews:467a51b3@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net">news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>I =
like=20
new functionality as a rule. I don't like losing functionality as a=20
<BR>rule.<BR><BR>So for example the new task manager or when I open my =
computer and see the <BR>bar that shows how full a drive is, these are =
things=20
I like. The new <BR>"personalize" window (right click the desktop) =
sucks as=20
does the default <BR>view of control panel, those would be examples of =
bad=20
change where it's like <BR>Microsoft forgot why windows uses =
icons.<BR><BR>I=20
also like IE7, it is more secure and I really like that it puts that =
line=20
<BR>at the top to explain what it did and easily let me do something =
unsafe=20
when <BR>it blocks something. It shows someone was thinking in that it =
give me=20
<BR>protection AND the power to easily override that protection so I'm =
in=20
<BR>control of the computer. This is the thinking MS needs more=20
of.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
title=3Dnews:46797fb7@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net">news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p; =20
New things or changes? I can't remember examples of you liking =
change.=20
<BR>I'm sure you do have some examples but you post much more on how =
much you=20
<BR>like things how they were with one big obsession that you don't =
like UI=20
<BR>changes in particular.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR> "Geo." <<A=20
title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
title=3Dnews:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net">news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
Seems to me I've posted lots of things I like about =
vista.<BR><BR> =20
Geo.<BR><BR> "Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
title=3Dnews:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net">news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
Plenty of others have commented on how this change is an improvement.=20
<BR>I<BR> would have to disagree that you like change. You =
post a=20
lot on how much <BR>you<BR> dislike change and very rarely on =
change you=20
like.<BR><BR> Rich<BR><BR> "Geo." <<A=20
title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
title=3Dnews:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net">news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p; =20
I like change, when it makes things better.<BR><BR> =
You need=20
to do some tech support with people who call ISP tech =
support.<BR> =20
Tell<BR> them to click on the third parent and =
they'll tell=20
you they only have <BR>two<BR> =20
parents.<BR><BR> Geo.<BR><BR> =
"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A title=3Dnews:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing should=20
<BR>ever<BR> change again. Good luck with=20
that.<BR><BR> As for folks that =
can tell=20
you the location currently viewed so you<BR> =
know<BR> =20
they are three levels too deep and can count to three to click three=20
<BR>times<BR> but can't click on the third parent, =
using the=20
backspace is a fine idea.<BR><BR> =20
Rich<BR><BR> "Geo." <<A=20
title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <BR><A=20
title=3Dnews:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up arrow?=20
You<BR> are<BR> =
on<BR> =20
the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too deep to go up=20
<BR>three<BR> levels and you can't read =
the=20
directory names, go ahead write up a <BR>step<BR> =20
by<BR> step that works for everyone like =
"click=20
the up arrow 3 times". Oh <BR>wait,<BR> =20
you<BR> can't do that because the words =
change=20
depending on where you are..<BR><BR> =
Sometimes=20
consistency is a good thing. Especially if you do tech<BR> =20
support.<BR> So<BR> =
now=20
instead of click the up arrow every procedure has to be changed =
to<BR> =20
hit<BR> the back space key and explain =
which is=20
the backspace and which is the<BR> =20
back<BR> arrow=20
keys..<BR><BR> Imagine what a colossal =
pain it=20
would be to write a procedure like <BR>this<BR> =20
if<BR> the backspace key didn't work in =
previous=20
versions, you would need a<BR> different =
procedure for each version of =
windows.<BR><BR> =20
Microsoft needs to realize one of the strengths of windows is=20
that<BR> everyone<BR> =
knows=20
how to use it so stop changing how to use it and instead build=20
<BR>on<BR> this<BR> =
huge=20
advantage.<BR><BR> =20
Geo.<BR><BR> ----- Original Message =
-----=20
<BR> From: "Rich"=20
<@><BR> Newsgroups:=20
homeless.barktopia.technoids<BR> Sent: =
Tuesday,=20
June 19, 2007 12:34 AM<BR> Subject: Re: =
Up=20
button<BR><BR><BR> =
Horrible=20
analogy.<BR><BR> The =
new UI=20
performs an up one level in a single mouse click just=20
<BR>like<BR> the<BR> =
old fixed=20
purpose button. The new UI performs an up two levels in=20
a<BR> single<BR> mouse =
click=20
instead of two. The new UI performs an up three levels in=20
<BR>a<BR> single mouse click instead of=20
three.<BR><BR> =20
Rich<BR><BR> "Geo." <<A=20
title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in=20
message<BR> <A title=3Dnews:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net">news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push back=20
<BR>on<BR> =
the<BR> =20
seat to brake and pull on the steering wheel to accelerate, we =
find<BR> =20
this<BR> much more =
intuitive... and=20
since pulling on the wheel increases=20
with<BR> acceleration it's =
actually=20
more efficient.<BR><BR> The =
up arrow=20
is probably one of the most uses buttons. It was a<BR> =20
mistake<BR> =
to<BR> =20
remove it and not even leave an option to turn it back=20
on.<BR><BR> Geo. (ever few =
years I=20
have to forget everything I know about<BR> =20
computers<BR> =20
and<BR> start from scratch,=20
why?)<BR><BR> "Rich" =
<@> wrote=20
in message <A title=3Dnews:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net">news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
I don't get this. The up one level button was removed because=20
<BR>the<BR> address bar now =
has the=20
ability to go up any level by clicking on =
<BR>the<BR> =20
name<BR> of any component in =
the=20
hierarchy. It also has the ability to go to<BR> =20
any<BR> child or sibling of =
any=20
component by clicking on the down arrow =
<BR>before<BR> =20
or<BR> after components in =
the=20
heirarchy.<BR><BR> =20
Rich<BR><BR> =
"Frank=20
Haber" <<A title=3Dmailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com=20
href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message<BR> <A=20
title=3Dnews:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net=20
=
href=3D"news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net">news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
>there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the point=20
of<BR> =
showing<BR> =20
this<BR> =20
=
>column?<BR><BR> =
I=20
have very limited experience with Vista Explorer, but I=20
concur<BR> =20
mightily<BR> =
about the=20
loss of the up button in the file-pick =
dialogue.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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