Text 2478, 79 rader
Skriven 2005-02-11 07:30:52 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2477 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
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From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com>

> Show me some PC hardware which does present the pulses etc to the
> software. None of my PCI TV cards do this.

ATI AIW cards can detect it somehow, play it fine, and refuse to record.

My DVD/HD recorder somehow knows it cannot copy (or even move) some SD
television shows, even though SD doesn't have the broadcast flag.

- Bob Comer <I don't like it btw, whatever happened to fair us...>


"Adam Flinton" <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message
news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
>
>>    You didn't answer the question asked.  Sure, if you have a video
>> capture device that ignores or strips macrovision then as far as software
>> is concerned it simply doesn't exist and any software would support it.
>> The question asked though was whether there was free software that
>> supported the case when macrovision protected content is presented to the
>> software.
>>
>
> Show me some PC hardware which does present the pulses etc to the
> software. None of my PCI TV cards do this.
>
> So is MS going to make it part of being "Windows friendly hardware" that
> if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report macrovision?
>
> Why would a TV card maker put Automatic Gain Control into a TV Card? No
> TV'es come with it (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) so why
> would TV card makers?
>
>
>>    You also didn't ask the second question asked.  Is this supported
>> legally?
>
> OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be built into any device which is a
> analog recording device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty of a PC in
> that a TV card can simply be used to watch TV or record.
>
> Imagine just for a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all TV'es,
> that would be a marvellous way of killing Macrovision.
>
> Any TV card maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see it's sales
> fall off a cliff because people would chuck their VHS into the player &
> turn on their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS &........oh look
> at the quality of that "good".
>
>>  Please don't answer that there is some jurisdiction somewhere with
>> whatever rules.  Let's make it simple for you.  Legally world wide.
>>
>
> I know you may not get out of the states much but are you cognisant of the
> concept of "sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume "Legally world wide"
> was some sort of attempt at humour.
>
> A can of beer is not legal world wide. A can of coke is not legal world
> wide.
>
> American beef is not legal world wide.
>
> Microsoft Windows itself is not legal world wide (how are the sales into
> North Korea?).
>
> All that matters is the economic power of the countries/groups of
> countries (e.g. the EU) & what their laws are & how much you want to sell
> into that market. As it is the US market is now smaller than the EU one &
> is vastly smaller than the "World less the US" one.
>
> Why do you think most DVD players are now "region free" (at least outside
> of the US)? Coz we're a bigger market & we don't want region encoding?
>
> Adam

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