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Skriven 2005-02-12 08:57:40 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 2490 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
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From: "Rich" <@>
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I am not familiar with North Korean law. Are you?
Rich
"Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
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Rich wrote:
> Legal world wide is not a humor. It's funny that you think it =
would be.
> =20
Nope, it is a humour.
Is windows a legal good in North Korea?
Adam
> Rich
> =20
>=20
> "Adam Flinton" <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com
> <mailto:adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com>> wrote in message
> news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
>=20
> > You didn't answer the question asked. Sure, if you have a =
video
> > capture device that ignores or strips macrovision then as far =
as
> > software is concerned it simply doesn't exist and any =
software would
> > support it. The question asked though was whether there was =
free
> > software that supported the case when macrovision protected
> content is
> > presented to the software.
> >=20
>=20
> Show me some PC hardware which does present the pulses etc to =
the
> software. None of my PCI TV cards do this.
>=20
> So is MS going to make it part of being "Windows friendly =
hardware"
> that
> if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report =
macrovision?
>=20
> Why would a TV card maker put Automatic Gain Control into a TV =
Card? No
> TV'es come with it (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) =
so why
> would TV card makers?
>=20
>=20
> > You also didn't ask the second question asked. Is this =
supported
> > legally?
>=20
> OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be built into any device which =
is a
> analog recording device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty =
of a PC
> in that a TV card can simply be used to watch TV or record.
>=20
> Imagine just for a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all =
TV'es,
> that would be a marvellous way of killing Macrovision.
>=20
> Any TV card maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see =
it's sales
> fall off a cliff because people would chuck their VHS into the =
player &
> turn on their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS =
&........oh
> look at the quality of that "good".
>=20
> > Please don't answer that there is some jurisdiction =
somewhere
> > with whatever rules. Let's make it simple for you. Legally
> world wide.
> >
>=20
> I know you may not get out of the states much but are you =
cognisant of
> the concept of "sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume =
"Legally world
> wide" was some sort of attempt at humour.
>=20
> A can of beer is not legal world wide. A can of coke is not =
legal world
> wide.
>=20
> American beef is not legal world wide.
>=20
> Microsoft Windows itself is not legal world wide (how are the =
sales
> into
> North Korea?).
>=20
> All that matters is the economic power of the countries/groups =
of
> countries (e.g. the EU) & what their laws are & how much you =
want to
> sell into that market. As it is the US market is now smaller =
than
> the EU
> one & is vastly smaller than the "World less the US" one.
>=20
> Why do you think most DVD players are now "region free" (at =
least
> outside of the US)? Coz we're a bigger market & we don't want =
region
> encoding?
>=20
> Adam
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V>Rich=20
wrote:<BR>> Legal world wide is not a =
humor. It's=20
funny that you think it would be.<BR>> <BR><BR>Nope, it is a=20
humour.<BR><BR>Is windows a legal good in North =
Korea?<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR>>=20
Rich<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Adam =
Flinton"=20
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> =20
Rich wrote:<BR>> <BR>> =20
> You didn't answer the question asked. =
Sure, if=20
you have a video<BR>> > capture =
device=20
that ignores or strips macrovision then as far=20
as<BR>> > software is concerned it =
simply=20
doesn't exist and any software =
would<BR>> =20
> support it. The question asked though was whether there was =
free<BR>> > software that =
supported the=20
case when macrovision protected<BR>> =
content=20
is<BR>> > presented to the=20
software.<BR>> > <BR>>=20
<BR>> Show me some PC hardware which does =
present=20
the pulses etc to the<BR>> software. None =
of my PCI=20
TV cards do this.<BR>> <BR>> So is MS =
going to=20
make it part of being "Windows friendly=20
hardware"<BR>> =
that<BR>> =20
if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report =
macrovision?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Why would a TV card maker put =
Automatic Gain=20
Control into a TV Card? No<BR>> TV'es come =
with it=20
(otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) so=20
why<BR>> would TV card makers?<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> > You also =
didn't=20
ask the second question asked. Is this=20
supported<BR>> > legally?<BR>>=20
<BR>> OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be =
built=20
into any device which is a<BR>> analog =
recording=20
device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty of a=20
PC<BR>> in that a TV card can simply be =
used to=20
watch TV or record.<BR>> <BR>> Imagine =
just for=20
a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all=20
TV'es,<BR>> that would be a marvellous way =
of=20
killing Macrovision.<BR>> <BR>> Any TV =
card=20
maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see it's=20
sales<BR>> fall off a cliff because people =
would=20
chuck their VHS into the player &<BR>> =
turn on=20
their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS=20
&........oh<BR>> look at the quality of =
that=20
"good".<BR>> <BR>> > =
Please don't=20
answer that there is some jurisdiction=20
somewhere<BR>> > with whatever=20
rules. Let's make it simple for you. =20
Legally<BR>> world=20
wide.<BR>> ><BR>>=20
<BR>> I know you may not get out of the =
states much=20
but are you cognisant of<BR>> the concept =
of=20
"sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume "Legally=20
world<BR>> wide" was some sort of attempt =
at=20
humour.<BR>> <BR>> A can of beer is not =
legal=20
world wide. A can of coke is not legal =
world<BR>> =20
wide.<BR>> <BR>> American beef is not =
legal=20
world wide.<BR>> <BR>> Microsoft Windows =
itself=20
is not legal world wide (how are the =
sales<BR>> =20
into<BR>> North Korea?).<BR>>=20
<BR>> All that matters is the economic =
power of the=20
countries/groups of<BR>> countries (e.g. =
the EU)=20
& what their laws are & how much you want=20
to<BR>> sell into that market. As it is the =
US=20
market is now smaller than<BR>> the=20
EU<BR>> one & is vastly smaller than =
the "World=20
less the US" one.<BR>> <BR>> Why do you =
think=20
most DVD players are now "region free" (at=20
least<BR>> outside of the US)? Coz we're a =
bigger=20
market & we don't want region<BR>> =20
encoding?<BR>> <BR>> =20
Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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