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Text 3151, 166 rader
Skriven 2005-03-13 20:17:36 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 3149 av John Beckett (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: IDE market consolidates some more...?
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   I don't know how to interpret the following statement of yours

  people wanting to write C++ programs will have to
  either write a Win32-compatible program that would run on 32-bit or
  64-bit systems, or would have to write a .NET program that operated
  via the CLR (it too would presumably run on both 32/64 bit).

You use this in reference to some future version of Windows running on a =
64-bit processor.  Why I'm puzzled is this describes today, both 32-bit = and
64-bit.  You can write a native app or a managed app.  I don't see = anything
contentious.  Maybe I'm missing it.

   Back to the earlier bogus claim, it is nothing like your statement =
above and is in direct contrast in some ways.

Rich

  "John Beckett" <FirstLast@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message =
news:8r0a31tugsae7bepqj991nu50h826n52m7@4ax.com...
  On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:01:57 -0800, "Rich" <@> wrote:

  > Actually there was no reference to 64-bit at all so I don't know =
where you got the impression.

  Sorry, I used sloppy words. I was thinking of the future when
  (presumably) the programming model discussed in the MSDN quote is used
  on 64-bit Windows systems.

  >  For what it is worth, Win32 is the name of the API and is not a =
word size designation.
  >  Next, MFC is not a Windows API.

  Thanks, but I am aware of these points. What I inferred from the brief
  MSDN quote is that when some future release of Windows is running on
  64-bit systems, people wanting to write C++ programs will have to
  either write a Win32-compatible program that would run on 32-bit or
  64-bit systems, or would have to write a .NET program that operated
  via the CLR (it too would presumably run on both 32/64 bit).

  I believe this is the point that Mike was making.

  Thinking about it a bit more, I can see that there may be no better
  way for Microsoft to push developers. When we went from 16-bit to
  32-bit machines, it was necessary to (eventually) drop the old APIs
  and use Win32 to take advantage of the environment. It looks as if the
  same will not occur in 64-bit machines, except indirectly via .NET.

  I guess that cleaning up all the API interfaces (for a "win64") just
  wouldn't be worthwhile, at least not for many years.

  OMG - I still wonder how to get the true path name of a file in Win32,
  and live with the forlorn hope that the old systems will be
  redesigned!

  John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't know how to =
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  wanting to write C++ programs will have to<BR>either write a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You use this in reference to some =
future version of=20
Windows running on a 64-bit processor.&nbsp; Why I'm puzzled is this =
describes=20
today, both 32-bit and 64-bit.&nbsp; You can write a native app or a =
managed=20
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it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Back to the earlier bogus =
claim, it is=20
nothing like your statement above and is in direct contrast in some=20
ways.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  =
href=3D"mailto:FirstLast@compuserve.com.omit">FirstLast@compuserve.com.om=
it</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:8r0a31tugsae7bepqj991nu50h826n52m7@4ax.com">news:8r0a31tugsa=
e7bepqj991nu50h826n52m7@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>On=20
  Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:01:57 -0800, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; =
Actually=20
  there was no reference to 64-bit at all so I don't know where you got =
the=20
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is=20
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  Win32 is the name of the API and is not a word size =
designation.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Next, MFC is not a Windows API.<BR><BR>Thanks, but I am aware of these =
points.=20
  What I inferred from the brief<BR>MSDN quote is that when some future =
release=20
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C++=20
  programs will have to<BR>either write a Win32-compatible program that =
would=20
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program that=20
  operated<BR>via the CLR (it too would presumably run on both 32/64=20
  bit).<BR><BR>I believe this is the point that Mike was =
making.<BR><BR>Thinking=20
  about it a bit more, I can see that there may be no better<BR>way for=20
  Microsoft to push developers. When we went from 16-bit to<BR>32-bit =
machines,=20
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take=20
  advantage of the environment. It looks as if the<BR>same will not =
occur in=20
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cleaning up=20
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at=20
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true path=20
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old=20
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