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Text 404, 142 rader
Skriven 2004-09-04 10:16:44 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 400 av Mike '/m' (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Fine.  That is doesn't receive as many NDRs...

   As adoption of sender ID increases you should receive fewer still.

Rich

  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:0cijj0p5dargg1k1dn8kj87ckj3cj9hcp9@4ax.com...
  > The spammers are no longer forging email from mike's domain.

  That is not completely true.   I am still receiving backscatter =
emails,
  therefore the spammers are still forging email from my domain.  The
  backscatter was reduced (temporarily, it appears, as the backscatter =
volume is
  back to about where is used to be), but it was never eliminated.

  On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:39:39 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:

  >   Or just DoS mike's machine directly.  You are missing the point, =
on purpose I believe.  The spammers are no longer forging email from = mike's
domain.  That he doesn't receive NDRs is just a side effect of = this.  If the
spammer's don't want the NDRs they can point their MX = record at an invalid IP
or one which does not support SMTP.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4136ec6a$1@w3.nls.net...
  >  It only has value to Mike because the spammers aren't taking any =
measures to
  >  get around it yet. I can easily backscatter any spf protected =
domain by simply
  >  pointing an MX record to his mail server for any domain which I'm =
authorative
  >  for.
  >
  >  Geo.
  >
  >  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413695dd$1@w3.nls.net...
  >     Is it really necessary to state the obvious over and over again?
  >
  >     In case you are trying to insinuate that this holds little =
value, note mike
  >  miller's remarks on how this has had value to him.
  >
  >  Rich
  >

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; That is =
doesn't receive as=20
many NDRs...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; As adoption of sender ID =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:0cijj0p5dargg1k1dn8kj87ckj3cj9hcp9@4ax.com">news:0cijj0p5dar=
gg1k1dn8kj87ckj3cj9hcp9@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>&gt;=20
  The spammers are no longer forging email from mike's =
domain.<BR><BR>That is=20
  not completely true.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am still receiving backscatter=20
  emails,<BR>therefore the spammers are still forging email from my=20
  domain.&nbsp; The<BR>backscatter was reduced (temporarily, it appears, =
as the=20
  backscatter volume is<BR>back to about where is used to be), but it =
was never=20
  eliminated.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:39:39 -0700, =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or just DoS mike's machine=20
  directly.&nbsp; You are missing the point, on purpose I believe.&nbsp; =
The=20
  spammers are no longer forging email from mike's domain.&nbsp; That he =
doesn't=20
  receive NDRs is just a side effect of this.&nbsp; If the spammer's =
don't want=20
  the NDRs they can point their MX record at an invalid IP or one which =
does not=20
  support SMTP.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4136ec6a$1@w3.nls.net">news:4136ec6a$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  It only has value to Mike because the spammers aren't taking any =
measures=20
  to<BR>&gt;&nbsp; get around it yet. I can easily backscatter any spf =
protected=20
  domain by simply<BR>&gt;&nbsp; pointing an MX record to his mail =
server for=20
  any domain which I'm authorative<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
for.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413695dd$1@w3.nls.net">news:413695dd$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Is it really necessary to state the obvious over and over=20
  again?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In case you are trying =
to=20
  insinuate that this holds little value, note mike<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
miller's=20
  remarks on how this has had value to him.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR>&gt;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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