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Skriven 2005-05-22 00:18:26 av Randy (1:379/45)
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Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Randy" <@>
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Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know it. =
Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
You are spinning so fast you can't see.
As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. =
Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your = dishonesty,
and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no choice
everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of non-Microsoft
hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
Rich
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let computers
affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
projecting?
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's =
focus
is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes =
is
the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
Probably more of "too late to the party".
Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon
some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try =
to
catch up.
>> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?
Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
"of choice". =20
If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in =
the
percentages that they currently do?
/m<probably not...>
On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
>
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
>
> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
>
>Rich
>
> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
>
> It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online
> music race, eh Rich?
>
> Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying
> that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not =
iPod.
> I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
>
> Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
>
> /m
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>
> > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see =
the obvious and how silly you sound.
> >
> > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
> >
> > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting =
their software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. = Unless
apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users = multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to = lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
> >
> > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video
> > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones to
> > allow them to access iTunes.
> >
> > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
> > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to look =
like he
> > was out in front all along.
> >
> > /m
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Randy wrote:
> > >
> > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
> > >>=20
> > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
> > >>=20
> > >
> > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that the =
phones=20
> > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it =
has an MP3=20
> > >player & an fm radio....
> > >
> > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio =
or the mp3=20
> > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
> > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc & then =
"forget"=20
> > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
going on=20
> > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
> > >
> > ><G>
> > >
> > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & =
was very=20
> > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + =
radio & a=20
> > >nice neat (small) phone.
> > >
> > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net =
related things.
> > >
> > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" =
computer=20
> > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
> > >
> > >Adam
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.=20
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I find it hard to =
believe you can be=20
such an idiot and not know it. Read over your spin in this =
thread=20
starting with your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a=20
loser. You are saying more than the obvious that apple's =
investment in=20
their itunes store is a bet. I can't believe you have the =
audacity to=20
state in one sentence that you are voicing no opinion on the itunes =
store both=20
after doing so and before doing so again. You are spinning so =
fast you=20
can't see.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As for your follow on =
bullshit,=20
there is no lock in and never was. Unlike apple, Microsoft =
provides=20
choice. Go ahead, continue your dishonesty, and pretend you =
have=20
none. Make sure you mention how you have no choice everytime you =
mention=20
your use any of the very large set of non-Microsoft hardware, =
software,=20
and services Microsoft enables for Windows.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>> =20
Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.<BR><BR>I live=20
with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers<BR>affect=20
my living situation. But I have to wonder why you=20
are<BR>projecting?<BR><BR><BR>> Do you really think =
the=20
itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users =
so that=20
this was the only store they can use?<BR><BR>I voice no opinion on =
the=20
iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's focus<BR>is on iTunes =
and not=20
necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes is<BR>the =
end. =20
And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.<BR>Probably =
more of=20
"too late to the party".<BR><BR>Whenever Microsoft feels the need to =
trot=20
out Mr. Gates to expound upon<BR>some "new direction", I know that =
Microsft=20
has found themelves behind<BR>the market leader and have belatedly =
realized=20
that they need to try to<BR>catch up.<BR><BR><BR><BR>>> If =
users are=20
not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?<BR><BR>Coming =
from a=20
Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting comment. =
<BR><BR>I=20
mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have<BR>chosen=20
IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered<BR>as=20
evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed<BR>to=20
leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser<BR>"of=20
choice". <BR><BR>If the users were not locked in, would =
they=20
choose WIndows Media in the<BR>percentages that they currently=20
do?<BR><BR> /m<probably not...><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Fri, 20 =
May=20
2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR><BR>> =
Keep=20
spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
yourself.<BR>><BR>> Do you really think the itunes =
store=20
would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this =
was the=20
only store they can use?<BR>><BR>> If users are =
not locked=20
in, why would they pick the itunes=20
store?<BR>><BR>>Rich<BR>><BR>> "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>><BR>> =20
It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
online<BR>> music race, eh Rich?<BR>><BR>> =
Despite what=20
you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying<BR>> that=20
Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not=20
iPod.<BR>> I say no more or no less. Despite what you =
try to=20
spin.<BR>><BR>> Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a =
change,=20
will ya?<BR>><BR>> =20
/m<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, 20 =
May 2005=20
17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR>><BR>> =20
> If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see=20
the obvious and how silly you sound.<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
> Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones =
are=20
winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you =
can carry=20
one?<BR>> ><BR>> > Apple will =
follow=20
Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =
phones. =20
There is a difference from the ipod. Unless apple restricts =
their OEM=20
licensees from offering their users multiple choices, the phone=20
manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in their customers =
to the=20
itunes store like apple does.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
>Rich<BR>> ><BR>> > "Mike '/m'" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
><BR>> > It's not iPod that Apple is betting =
on, but=20
iTunes (and its video<BR>> > follow-up). =
Apple is=20
already putting iPod software on cell phones to<BR>> =
> =20
allow them to access iTunes.<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20
else.<BR>> > Apple caught him napping in this =
space, and=20
now he has to look like he<BR>> > was out in front =
all=20
along.<BR>> ><BR>> > =
/m<BR>> =20
><BR>> ><BR>> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 =
14:01:23 +0100, Adam <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>><BR>> =20
> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > =
>Randy=20
wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>> I=20
just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....<BR>> =20
> >> <BR>> > >> 500+ of =
AAC-encoded=20
songs-sweet!<BR>> > >> <BR>> =
> =20
><BR>> > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the =
Ipod=20
won't last & that the phones <BR>> > >will =
eat it's=20
lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>> =20
> >player & an fm radio....<BR>> > =
><BR>> > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you =
are=20
listening to the radio or the mp3 <BR>> > =
>player &=20
someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like=20
<BR>> > >me you often set your phone to silent =
for=20
meetings etc & then "forget" <BR>> > >to =
re-enable=20
the ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on =
<BR>> =20
> >coz the music/radio just suddenly=20
goes....silent....<BR>> > ><BR>> =
> =20
><G><BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>I=20
had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was =
very=20
<BR>> > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I =
just=20
wanted music + radio & a <BR>> > >nice neat =
(small)=20
phone.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >I =
like the=20
way most of them now try wifi first for any net related=20
things.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >I =
reckon=20
we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" computer =
<BR>> =20
> >being the smartphone in their pocket.<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =20
>Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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