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Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>
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mike miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed. Is that your strategy? When unable to respond on topic you =
change the topic and/or run away. You must be very ashamed of yourself.
Rich
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. =20
What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some manner =
of
training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over and
over.
/m<shrug>
On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
> "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
> I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it. Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
You are spinning so fast you can't see.
>
> As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was. Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
>
> Rich
>
> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
>
> I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers
> affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
> projecting?
>
>
> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
>
> I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that =
Apple's focus
> is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
> the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
> Probably more of "too late to the party".
>
> Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound upon
> some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
> the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to =
try to
> catch up.
>
>
>
> >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
>
> Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
>
> I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
> as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
> to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
> "of choice". =20
>
> If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media =
in the
> percentages that they currently do?
>
> /m<probably not...>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>
> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
> >
> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
> >
> > If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
> >
> >Rich
> >
> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
> >
> > It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online
> > music race, eh Rich?
> >
> > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
> > that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), =
not iPod.
> > I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
> >
> > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
> >
> > /m
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> >
> > > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see =
the obvious and how silly you sound.
> > >
> > > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
> > >
> > > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting =
their software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. = Unless
apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users = multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to = lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
> > >
> > >Rich
> > >
> > > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video
> > > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones to
> > > allow them to access iTunes.
> > >
> > > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
> > > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to =
look like he
> > > was out in front all along.
> > >
> > > /m
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Randy wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
> > > >>=20
> > > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
> > > >>=20
> > > >
> > > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that =
the phones=20
> > > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz =
it has an MP3=20
> > > >player & an fm radio....
> > > >
> > > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the =
radio or the mp3=20
> > > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
> > > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc & =
then "forget"=20
> > > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering =
what's going on=20
> > > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
> > > >
> > > ><G>
> > > >
> > > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) =
& was very=20
> > > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + =
radio & a=20
> > > >nice neat (small) phone.
> > > >
> > > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net =
related things.
> > > >
> > > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" =
computer=20
> > > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
> > > >
> > > >Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> mike miller says this as =
part of a=20
diversion from the topic being discussed. Is that your =
strategy? =20
When unable to respond on topic you change the topic and/or run =
away. =20
You must be very ashamed of yourself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Mike '/m'" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...</DIV><BR>I=20
think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>diversionary=20
tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. <BR><BR>What =
I=20
wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some manner =
of<BR>training,=20
because many of them seem to use the same tactics over=20
and<BR>over.<BR><BR> /m<shrug><BR><BR><BR>On Sun, 22 May =
2005=20
00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:<BR><BR>>Who whould have =
thought=20
that Joe Barr is right. <BR>> "Rich" <@> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it. Read=20
over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that everyone =
except=20
the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than the =
obvious that=20
apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I can't =
believe you=20
have the audacity to state in one sentence that you are voicing no =
opinion on=20
the itunes store both after doing so and before doing so again. =
You are=20
spinning so fast you can't =
see.<BR>><BR>> As for=20
your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. =
Unlike=20
apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty,=20
and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you have no =
choice=20
everytime you mention your use any of the very large set of =
non-Microsoft=20
hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for=20
Windows.<BR>><BR>> Rich<BR>><BR>> =
"Mike=20
'/m'" <<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
yourself.<BR>><BR>> I live with myself just =
fine=20
Rich. I find no need to let computers<BR>> =
affect=20
my living situation. But I have to wonder why you=20
are<BR>> =20
projecting?<BR>><BR>><BR>> > =
Do you=20
really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not =
lock in=20
ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20
use?<BR>><BR>> I voice no opinion on the =
iTunes=20
store. I merely say that Apple's focus<BR>> =
is on=20
iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes =
is<BR>> the end. And Microsoft is the =
also-ran,=20
perhaps not even that.<BR>> Probably more of "too =
late to=20
the party".<BR>><BR>> Whenever Microsoft feels =
the=20
need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound upon<BR>> =
some "new=20
direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves=20
behind<BR>> the market leader and have belatedly =
realized=20
that they need to try to<BR>> catch=20
up.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >> If =
users are=20
not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
store?<BR>><BR>> Coming from a Microsoft =
employee,=20
that is a very interesting comment. =
<BR>><BR>> I=20
mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they=20
have<BR>> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems =
that=20
Microsoft execs' emails entered<BR>> as evidence =
in the=20
anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed<BR>> =20
to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto=20
browser<BR>> "of choice". =20
<BR>><BR>> If the users were not locked in, =
would they=20
choose WIndows Media in the<BR>> percentages that =
they=20
currently do?<BR>><BR>> /m<probably=20
not...><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, =
20 May=20
2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> =
wrote:<BR>><BR>> =20
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
yourself.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if=20
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can=20
use?<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
store?<BR>> ><BR>> =20
>Rich<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
"Mike '/m'" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
><BR>> > It must really suck for your =
employer to be the loser in the online<BR>> =
> =20
music race, eh Rich?<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
> Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually=20
saying<BR>> > that Apple is betting on =
iTunes=20
(an/or its video successor), not iPod.<BR>> =
> I=20
say no more or no less. Despite what you try to=20
spin.<BR>> ><BR>> =
> Give=20
those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will =
ya?<BR>> =20
><BR>> > =
/m<BR>> =20
><BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 =
-0700,=20
"Rich" <@> wrote:<BR>> =20
><BR>> > > If you =
weren't=20
blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the obvious and how silly =
you=20
sound.<BR>> > =
><BR>> =20
> > Why will phones win out, for the same =
reason=20
phones are winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices =
when you=20
can carry one?<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > Apple will =
follow=20
Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =
phones. =20
There is a difference from the ipod. Unless apple restricts =
their OEM=20
licensees from offering their users multiple choices, the phone =
manufacturers=20
and carriers have no reason to lock in their customers to the itunes =
store=20
like apple does.<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > =
>Rich<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > > "Mike =
'/m'"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > > It's =
not iPod=20
that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video<BR>> =20
> > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod =
software=20
on cell phones to<BR>> > > =
allow them=20
to access iTunes.<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > Gates' comment =
was more=20
of a specious smokescreen than anything =
else.<BR>> =20
> > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now =
he has=20
to look like he<BR>> > > was =
out in=20
front all along.<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > =20
/m<BR>> > ><BR>> =
> ><BR>> > > On =
Fri, 20 May=20
2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>><BR>> =20
> > wrote:<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > >Randy=20
wrote:<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > >> I just 1 =
GB on=20
my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....<BR>> =
> =20
> >> <BR>> > > =
>>=20
500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>> > =20
> >> <BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > >Ditto. I =
agree with=20
Gates that the Ipod won't last & that the phones=20
<BR>> > > >will eat it's =
lunch. I=20
have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>> =20
> > >player & an fm=20
radio....<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > >A mondo =
bizarro bit=20
is that if you are listening to the radio or the mp3=20
<BR>> > > >player & =
someone=20
calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like=20
<BR>> > > >me you often set =
your=20
phone to silent for meetings etc & then "forget"=20
<BR>> > > >to re-enable the=20
ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on=20
<BR>> > > >coz the =
music/radio just=20
suddenly goes....silent....<BR>> > =
> =20
><BR>> > > =20
><G><BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > >I had a look =
at the=20
smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was very=20
<BR>> > > >impressed but @ =
the end=20
of the day...I just wanted music + radio & a =
<BR>> =20
> > >nice neat (small) =
phone.<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> > =
> =20
>I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net related =
things.<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > >I reckon =
we're 2-3=20
years out from most people's "personal" computer =
<BR>> =20
> > >being the smartphone in their=20
pocket.<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > =20
>Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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