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Can't you even remember your own spew or is this another attempt at a =
diversion. Let's remind everyone of one of your diversions from below = in
this thread. Note your response jumps right in to a change of topic. =
You continue on an unrelated topic never once touching on the subject =
of the question to which you were replying (but not responding).
Unless your memory has failed and you have a reading comprehension =
problem you can see your other diversions and lies. You don't even have = to
do futher than below. You have never been locked in to Windows yet = you
frequently claim that some such lock existed. Other than being = dishonest and
attempting a diversion would you lie to divert from the = issue that apple
explicitly supports only one store from which you can = purchase licensed music
for an ipod, like that sold by the apple store, = and made an explicit effort
to break real when they started to offer = some. You even make claims that
others are losers in this market, a = market with one player and no
competitors.
All this and yet you even claimed that all you said is that apple is =
betting on itunes not ipod, no more no less. Keep spinning mike. There = is
no need to reply. I expect you to launch into another diversion to = avoid
responding on topic from before you started your diversions.
Rich
> > >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
> >
> > Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
> >
> > I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
> > chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
> > as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
> > to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
> > "of choice". =20
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:o9l191pf028tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com...
I'm still waiting for the exact quote, Rich.
/m
On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:19:58 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> mike miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed. Is that your strategy? When unable to respond on topic you =
change the topic and/or run away. You must be very ashamed of yourself.
>
>Rich
>
> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
>
> I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
> diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. =20
>
> What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some =
manner of
> training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over =
and
> over.
>
> /m<shrug>
>
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
>
> >Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
> > "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
> > I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not =
know it. Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims = that
everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more = than the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. =
I can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you =
are voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before
doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't see.
> >
> > As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was. Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
> > > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
> >
> > I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers
> > affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
> > projecting?
> >
> >
> > > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
> >
> > I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that =
Apple's focus
> > is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
> > the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.
> > Probably more of "too late to the party".
> >
> > Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound upon
> > some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
> > the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need =
to try to
> > catch up.
> >
> >
> >
> > >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
> >
> > Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
> >
> > I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
> > chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails entered
> > as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that =
Microsoft needed
> > to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the =
defacto browser
> > "of choice". =20
> >
> > If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows =
Media in the
> > percentages that they currently do?
> >
> > /m<probably not...>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> >
> > > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
> > >
> > > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
> > >
> > > If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
> > >
> > >Rich
> > >
> > > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
> > > music race, eh Rich?
> > >
> > > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
> > > that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not iPod.
> > > I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
> > >
> > > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
> > >
> > > /m
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could =
see the obvious and how silly you sound.
> > > >
> > > > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
> > > >
> > > > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their software onto phones. There is a difference from the = ipod.
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their = users multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no = reason to lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
> > > >
> > > >Rich
> > > >
> > > > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and =
its video
> > > > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on =
cell phones to
> > > > allow them to access iTunes.
> > > >
> > > > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
> > > > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has =
to look like he
> > > > was out in front all along.
> > > >
> > > > /m
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Randy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....
> > > > >>=20
> > > > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
> > > > >>=20
> > > > >
> > > > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & =
that the phones=20
> > > > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got =
coz it has an MP3=20
> > > > >player & an fm radio....
> > > > >
> > > > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the =
radio or the mp3=20
> > > > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
> > > > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc =
& then "forget"=20
> > > > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering =
what's going on=20
> > > > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
> > > > >
> > > > ><G>
> > > > >
> > > > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian =
etc) & was very=20
> > > > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted =
music + radio & a=20
> > > > >nice neat (small) phone.
> > > > >
> > > > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any =
net related things.
> > > > >
> > > > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
"personal" computer=20
> > > > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
> > > > >
> > > > >Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Can't you even remember =
your own spew=20
or is this another attempt at a diversion. Let's remind everyone = of one
of=20
your diversions from below in this thread. Note your response = jumps
right=20
in to a change of topic. You continue on an unrelated topic never =
once=20
touching on the subject of the question to which you were replying = (but
not=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Unless your memory has =
failed and you=20
have a reading comprehension problem you can see your other diversions = and=20
lies. You don't even have to do futher than below. You have =
never=20
been locked in to Windows yet you frequently claim that some such lock=20
existed. Other than being dishonest and attempting a diversion = would
you=20
lie to divert from the issue that apple explicitly supports only = one
store=20
from which you can purchase licensed music for an ipod, like that sold = by
the=20
apple store, and made an explicit effort to break real when they = started
to=20
offer some. You even make claims that others are losers in this = market,
a=20
market with one player and no competitors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> All this and yet you even =
claimed that=20
all you said is that apple is betting on itunes not ipod, no more no =
less. =20
Keep spinning mike. There is no need to reply. I expect you = to=20
launch into another diversion to avoid responding on topic from before = you=20
started your diversions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>> > >> If users are not locked =
in, why=20
would they pick the itunes store?<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very=20
interesting comment. <BR>> ><BR>> =20
> I mean, if the users were not locked into =
Windows, would=20
they have<BR>> > chosen IE over = Netscape?
It=20
seems that Microsoft execs' emails entered<BR>> =
> =20
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft=20
needed<BR>> > to leverage the Windows = monopoly
in=20
order to make IE the defacto browser<BR>> =
> "of=20
choice". </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Mike '/m'" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:o9l191pf028tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com">news:o9l191pf028=
tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com</A>...</DIV><BR>I'm=20
still waiting for the exact quote, Rich.<BR><BR> /m<BR><BR><BR>On =
Sun, 22=20
May 2005 11:19:58 -0700, "Rich" <@> =
wrote:<BR><BR>> mike=20
miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed. =20
Is that your strategy? When unable to respond on topic you =
change the=20
topic and/or run away. You must be very ashamed of=20
yourself.<BR>><BR>>Rich<BR>><BR>> "Mike '/m'" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...<BR>><BR>> =20
I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>> =20
diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. =
<BR>><BR>> What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona =
go=20
through some manner of<BR>> training, because many of them =
seem to=20
use the same tactics over and<BR>> =20
over.<BR>><BR>> =20
/m<shrug><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 =
00:18:26=20
-0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:<BR>><BR>> >Who whould =
have=20
thought that Joe Barr is right. <BR>> > "Rich" =
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
> I find it hard to believe you can be such =
an=20
idiot and not know it. Read over your spin in this thread =
starting with=20
your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a loser. =
You are=20
saying more than the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes =
store is=20
a bet. I can't believe you have the audacity to state in one =
sentence=20
that you are voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing =
so and=20
before doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't=20
see.<BR>> ><BR>> > As =
for your=20
follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. Unlike =
apple,=20
Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your dishonesty, =
and=20
pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you have no =
choice=20
everytime you mention your use any of the very large set of =
non-Microsoft=20
hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for =
Windows.<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Rich<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> > Keep spinning if that is what =
you need=20
to live with yourself.<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let=20
computers<BR>> > affect my living=20
situation. But I have to wonder why you are<BR>> =20
> projecting?<BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> > > Do you =
really think=20
the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
that this was the only store they can use?<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
> I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I =
merely=20
say that Apple's focus<BR>> > is on =
iTunes and=20
not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes =
is<BR>> =20
> the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, =
perhaps=20
not even that.<BR>> > Probably more of =
"too late=20
to the party".<BR>> ><BR>> > =
Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound=20
upon<BR>> > some "new direction", I know =
that=20
Microsft has found themelves behind<BR>> =
> the=20
market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
to<BR>> > catch up.<BR>> =20
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =20
> >> If users are not locked in, why would =
they=20
pick the itunes store?<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
<BR>> ><BR>> > I mean, if =
the users=20
were not locked into Windows, would they have<BR>> =20
> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that =
Microsoft=20
execs' emails entered<BR>> > as evidence =
in the=20
anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft needed<BR>> =20
> to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to =
make IE=20
the defacto browser<BR>> > "of=20
choice". <BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in=20
the<BR>> > percentages that they =
currently=20
do?<BR>> ><BR>> > =20
/m<probably not...><BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>> =20
><BR>> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 =
-0700,=20
"Rich" <@> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> > Keep spinning if that is what =
you need=20
to live with yourself.<BR>> > =
><BR>> =20
> > Do you really think the itunes =
store=20
would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this =
was the=20
only store they can use?<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > If users =
are not=20
locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =20
>Rich<BR>> > ><BR>> =20
> > "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =
> It=20
must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online<BR>> =20
> > music race, eh Rich?<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =
> =20
Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually=20
saying<BR>> > > that Apple is =
betting=20
on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not iPod.<BR>> =20
> > I say no more or no less. =
Despite what=20
you try to spin.<BR>> > =
><BR>> =20
> > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for =
a=20
change, will ya?<BR>> > =
><BR>> =20
> > /m<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =20
><BR>> > ><BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > On Fri, 20 May =
2005=20
17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR>> =
> =20
><BR>> > > > =
If you=20
weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the obvious and =
how silly=20
you sound.<BR>> > > =
><BR>> =20
> > > Why will phones win =
out,=20
for the same reason phones are winning over many PDA users? Why =
carry=20
two devices when you can carry one?<BR>> =
> =20
> ><BR>> > > =20
> Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting=20
their software onto phones. There is a difference from the =
ipod. =20
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users =
multiple=20
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock =
in their=20
customers to the itunes store like apple does.<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> =
> =20
> >Rich<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > > "Mike =
'/m'"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> =
> =20
> > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but =
iTunes (and=20
its video<BR>> > > > =20
follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones=20
to<BR>> > > > allow =
them to=20
access iTunes.<BR>> > > =20
><BR>> > > > Gates' =
comment=20
was more of a specious smokescreen than anything else.<BR>> =20
> > > Apple caught him napping =
in this=20
space, and now he has to look like he<BR>> =
> =20
> > was out in front all along.<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> =
> =20
> > /m<BR>> > =
> =20
><BR>> > > =
><BR>> =20
> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 =
14:01:23=20
+0100, Adam <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>><BR>> =20
> > > wrote:<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> =
> =20
> > >Randy wrote:<BR>> =
> =20
> > ><BR>> > =
> =20
> >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want=20
MORE....<BR>> > > > =
>>=20
<BR>> > > > >> =
500+ of=20
AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>> > =
> =20
> >> <BR>> > > =20
> ><BR>> > > =
> =20
>Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that the =
phones=20
<BR>> > > > >will =
eat it's=20
lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>> =20
> > > >player & an fm=20
radio....<BR>> > > > =20
><BR>> > > > >A =
mondo=20
bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio or the mp3=20
<BR>> > > > >player =
&=20
someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like =
<BR>> =20
> > > >me you often set your =
phone=20
to silent for meetings etc & then "forget" <BR>> =20
> > > >to re-enable the=20
ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on <BR>> =20
> > > >coz the music/radio =
just=20
suddenly goes....silent....<BR>> > =
> =20
> ><BR>> > > =
> =20
><G><BR>> > > =
> =20
><BR>> > > > >I =
had a=20
look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was very=20
<BR>> > > > =
>impressed but=20
@ the end of the day...I just wanted music + radio & a =
<BR>> =20
> > > >nice neat (small)=20
phone.<BR>> > > > =20
><BR>> > > > >I =
like the=20
way most of them now try wifi first for any net related =
things.<BR>> =20
> > > ><BR>> =20
> > > >I reckon we're 2-3 =
years out=20
from most people's "personal" computer <BR>> =
> =20
> > >being the smartphone in their =
pocket.<BR>> =20
> > > ><BR>> =20
> > > =20
>Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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* Origin: Barktopia BBS Site http://HarborWebs.com:8081 (1:379/45)
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