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Skriven 2005-05-23 19:23:18 av Mike '/m' (1:379/45)
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Ärende: Re: Defending your own nonsense
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From: Mike '/m' <mike@barkto.com>
> it is no excuse for mike miller's bad behavior.
My Mom used to tell me to go sit in the corner all the time. I'm a
bad, bad boy...
/m
On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:01:07 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> I disagree. Even if so it is no excuse for mike miller's bad behavior.
>
>Rich
>
> "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42911888@w3.nls.net...
> You're just as guilty.
> "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net...
> You should expect to be able to defend whatever nonsense you post. If
you post nonsense should you not expect to be called on it? Should you not
expect to defend it if questioned? Maybe you and mike miller believe that you
are above being challenged. mike miller we all know has an agenda. Look at
just this thread to see how when questioned he either changes the topic or
declares that he has nothing more to say never actually defending any of his
claims.
>
> Rich
>
> "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net...
> In our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a new
chain
> saw: everything is game for cutting down.
>
> As for his behavior here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT
offers
> training on being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek it
out
> and reward it.
>
> Have a look at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/ and do a
> search for where the word "honest" appears.
>
> Then I saw this:
>
> "You may also call the Business Conduct Line at 1-877-320-MSFT (6738).
If
> you are calling from outside the United States, you may make a collect
call
> to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an international operator and
> asking to place a collect call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business Conduct
Line
> is a dedicated, toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an external
> third-party vendor that has trained professionals to take your calls, in
> confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft Director of
Compliance
> for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct Line
may be
> made anonymously. "
>
> 'nuff said?
>
>
> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
> news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
> >
> > I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
> > diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions.
> >
> > What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some manner
of
> > training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over and
> > over.
> >
> > /m<shrug>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
> >
> >>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.
> >> "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
> >> I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know
it.
> >> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that
> >> everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more
than
> >> the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.
I
> >> can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you
are
> >> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and before
> >> doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't see.
> >>
> >> As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never
was.
> >> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your
> >> dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you
> >> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large
set
> >> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables
for
> >> Windows.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
> >> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
> >>
> >> I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let
computers
> >> affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
> >> projecting?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if
apple
> >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they can
use?
> >>
> >> I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's
> >> focus
> >> is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes
is
> >> the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
> >> Probably more of "too late to the party".
> >>
> >> Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound
> >> upon
> >> some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves
behind
> >> the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to
try to
> >> catch up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes
store?
> >>
> >> Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting
comment.
> >>
> >> I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
> >> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails
> >> entered
> >> as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft
needed
> >> to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto
> >> browser
> >> "of choice".
> >>
> >> If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media
in
> >> the
> >> percentages that they currently do?
> >>
> >> /m<probably not...>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
> >> >
> >> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if
apple
> >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they can
use?
> >> >
> >> > If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes
store?
> >> >
> >> >Rich
> >> >
> >> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
> >> news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> > It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the
online
> >> > music race, eh Rich?
> >> >
> >> > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually
> >> saying
> >> > that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor),
not
> >> iPod.
> >> > I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
> >> >
> >> > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
> >> >
> >> > /m
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see
the
> >> obvious and how silly you sound.
> >> > >
> >> > > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are
winning
> >> over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry one?
> >> > >
> >> > > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting
their
> >> software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. Unless
apple
> >> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users multiple
choices,
> >> the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in their
> >> customers to the itunes store like apple does.
> >> > >
> >> > >Rich
> >> > >
> >> > > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
> >> news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its
> >> video
> >> > > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell
> >> phones to
> >> > > allow them to access iTunes.
> >> > >
> >> > > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than
anything
> >> else.
> >> > > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to
look
> >> like he
> >> > > was out in front all along.
> >> > >
> >> > > /m
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam
> >> <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >Randy wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that
the
> >> phones
> >> > > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it
has
> >> an MP3
> >> > > >player & an fm radio....
> >> > > >
> >> > > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the
radio
> >> or the mp3
> >> > > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing
tones....so
> >> if like
> >> > > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc &
then
> >> "forget"
> >> > > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering
what's
> >> going on
> >> > > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
> >> > > >
> >> > > ><G>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) &
was
> >> very
> >> > > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music +
> >> radio & a
> >> > > >nice neat (small) phone.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net
> >> related things.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal"
> >> computer
> >> > > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Adam
> >
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