Text 4388, 199 rader
Skriven 2005-05-24 10:07:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 4384 av RobertB. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>
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I think it only matters within the scope of the market and not the =
size of the defined market. The size of the market may matter in = determining
who cares not whether "monopoly power" exists. Consider = someone that needs
or wants macos, they have only one choice of a = provider for the computer
system. It may not matter to you but it = should matter to that person.
In regard to your last question, I think not at all.
Rich
"RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message =
news:rb28-0EEEDD.11410924052005@w3.nls.net...
That may be so, but there is an also an economic factor that is taken=20
into consideration. A company that monopolizes an industry with $100K =
of=20
sales per year would hardly be a candidate for monopoly status. Also,=20
unless I'm mistaken, doesn't a monopoly imply a considerable amount of =
vertical integration? You not only own the coal fields, you own the=20
railroad that transports the coal and the tracks the trains run on.=20
r.
In article <42928de5@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> Not true for multiple reasons. One is that percentages don't =
matter. =20
> Another is that you can play number games and define the market =
however=20
> you wish. During the Microsoft trial the market was defined =
narrowly to=20
> include only single user computers with a video display, =
keyboard, and=20
> Intel x86 processor so as to exclude computer from apple, sun, =
PDAs,=20
> servers, and pretty much anything that does not run Windows. Do =
the same=20
> here and you see that apple has 100% of the the market for =
computers that=20
> run macos software. =20
>=20
> Rich
>=20
> "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message=20
> news:rb28-8DAD7D.16182223052005@w3.nls.net...
> Apple owns only 3+% of the market for PCs. They can't be a =
monopoly by=20
> definition.=20
>=20
>=20
> In article <42909834$1@w3.nls.net>, "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote:
>=20
> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
> > news:ib119159n04nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com...
> >=20
> > > Apple is definitely something with regard to OS/X, but I don't =
think
> > > monopoly is the concept.
> >=20
> > If you write mac software it's a monopoly, if you are a customer =
then=20
> > it's
> > probably just really really proprietary.
> >=20
> > Before you argue with the term monopoly, remember the court case =
where=20
> > apple
> > sued microsoft for being a lookalike.. They even think like a =
monopoly.
> >=20
> > Geo.
> >=20
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I think it only matters =
within the=20
scope of the market and not the size of the defined market. The size of =
the=20
market may matter in determining who cares not whether "monopoly power"=20
exists. Consider someone that needs or wants macos, they have only =
one=20
choice of a provider for the computer system. It may not matter to = you
but=20
it should matter to that person.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> In regard to your last =
question, I=20
think not at all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"RobertB." <<A =
href=3D"mailto:rb28@nyu.edu">rb28@nyu.edu</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:rb28-0EEEDD.11410924052005@w3.nls.net">news:rb28-0EEEDD.1141=
0924052005@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>That=20
may be so, but there is an also an economic factor that is taken =
<BR>into=20
consideration. A company that monopolizes an industry with $100K of =
<BR>sales=20
per year would hardly be a candidate for monopoly status. Also, =
<BR>unless I'm=20
mistaken, doesn't a monopoly imply a considerable amount of =
<BR>vertical=20
integration? You not only own the coal fields, you own the =
<BR>railroad that=20
transports the coal and the tracks the trains run on. =
<BR><BR>r.<BR><BR>In=20
article <<A =
href=3D"mailto:42928de5@w3.nls.net">42928de5@w3.nls.net</A>>,=20
"Rich" <@> wrote:<BR><BR>> Not true for =
multiple=20
reasons. One is that percentages don't matter. =20
<BR>> Another is that you can play number games =
and=20
define the market however <BR>> you wish. =
During=20
the Microsoft trial the market was defined narrowly to=20
<BR>> include only single user computers with a =
video=20
display, keyboard, and <BR>> Intel x86 processor =
so as to=20
exclude computer from apple, sun, PDAs, <BR>> =
servers,=20
and pretty much anything that does not run Windows. Do the same=20
<BR>> here and you see that apple has 100% of the =
the=20
market for computers that <BR>> run macos =
software. =20
<BR>> <BR>> Rich<BR>> <BR>> "RobertB." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rb28@nyu.edu">rb28@nyu.edu</A>> wrote in message=20
<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:rb28-8DAD7D.16182223052005@w3.nls.net">news:rb28-8DAD7D.1618=
2223052005@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>> =20
Apple owns only 3+% of the market for PCs. They can't be a monopoly by =
<BR>> definition. <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> In=20
article <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:42909834$1@w3.nls.net">42909834$1@w3.nls.net</A>>, =
"Geo"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>> > "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in=20
message<BR>> > <A=20
=
href=3D"news:ib119159n04nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com">news:ib119159n04=
nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
> <BR>> > > Apple is definitely something with =
regard=20
to OS/X, but I don't think<BR>> > > monopoly is =
the=20
concept.<BR>> > <BR>> > If you =
write mac=20
software it's a monopoly, if you are a customer then =
<BR>> >=20
it's<BR>> > probably just really really=20
proprietary.<BR>> > <BR>> > Before =
you=20
argue with the term monopoly, remember the court case where=20
<BR>> > apple<BR>> > sued =
microsoft for=20
being a lookalike.. They even think like a =
monopoly.<BR>> >=20
<BR>> > Geo.<BR>> > =
<BR>> =20
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