Text 4393, 378 rader
Skriven 2005-05-24 11:25:58 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 4392 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>
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If nokia is used to dominating they will get over it.
I can use a bluetooth or connected keyboard with my phone if I wish. =
I have no interest. In particular it would just be more bulky stuff to = carry
defeating the primary value to me of the smartphone. Even with = this the
display is tiny and a whole slew of other laptop features which = I use are
missing.
I have a smartphone and laptop and you do not. Let's wait until you =
get both and then you can report back on your personal usage and when = and
where you use one or both.
Rich
"Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> You really must be an idiot. Why is it a problem that carriers=20
> choose what they offer and end users choose what they buy? To the=20
> extent you believe this is a problem, why isn't it a problem for =
everyone?
> =20
Not everyone is used to being a monopoly & to controlling the market.
> Your belief that folks will switch from laptops to smartphones is =
> really based on your claim that executives can't easily take notes =
with=20
> a laptop on the underground. That's it?=20
Nope it's about easy access etc. Much more than simply notes on an=20
underground. That's just one example. The smartphone is always on &=20
ready to go & in your pocket. The laptop is in it's carry bag powered=20
off. Which offers greater functionality?
> Nothing about display size,=20
> keyboard, mouse? Your second point that if a smartphone is ever =
useful=20
> than that is enough. Silly.
>
Mouese & keyboard - bluetooth/usb. I have seen a number of people=20
tapping away on fold up bluetooth keyboards.
> I have both a smartphone and a laptop. I use them both at =
different=20
> times. What about you?
> =20
I have a laptop for work. I looked at smartphones & realised that I=20
actively like being out of touch at times. However I do use the nokia =
to=20
hook into my imap/smtp server at home. However music player & fm radio =
answers most of my needs.
Work want me to get a smartphone & I am resisting.
Most others have them & I am accused of being a luddite.
However I realise than in 2 years or so the smartphone will be the pc=20
for the masses.
Look at all the various studies which show that most people want/need =
a=20
spreadsheet, word processor, email, im & web browser & then look at=20
where smartphones are now & where they will be.
Adam
> Rich
> =20
>=20
> "Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com
> <mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>> wrote in message
> news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net...
> Rich wrote:
> > I have no idea where your nonsense about Microsoft having =
a
> problems
> > with smartphones came from.
>=20
> ROFL. Ah dear me tetchy tetchy tetchy. Rich you should learn to =
follow
> the "first engage brain then mouth" rule.
>=20
> The problem MS have with smnartphones is not technical, it's the =
fact
> that they are at the mercy of the network operators & what they =
choose
> to offer.
>=20
> If vodafone decide to offer five models of Nokia smartphone & =
one
> Pocket
> PC then that's vodafone's choice.
>=20
> > I'll ignore that.
>=20
> Of course you will as you have little clue about market =
realities.
>=20
> > Feel free to start
> > another thread but remember to include some support for your =
opinion.
> >=20
>=20
> Feel free to hop on one leg singing "I'm a little teapot" but =
remember
> to try & use at least one leg.
>=20
>=20
> > There is one opinion of yours to which I will reply.
>=20
> I am honoured. Oh how I shall recount this to my grandchildren.
>=20
> > You wrote "All
> > that is missing now is the hook up to an external display + a =
larger
> > screen size driver." I disagree.
>=20
> I'm sure you do as frankly if laptop users turn into smartphone =
users
> your company is shafted.
>=20
> > There is quite a bit more laptop
> > functionality missing from smartphones.
>=20
> Such as?
>=20
> Bluetooth? Wifi? Web browser? Excel? Word? USB?
>=20
> > Now if you used your laptop for
> > a limited set of tasks only may get away from it but then you =
should
> > have switched to a PDA when they became available.
> >
>=20
> Most execs use their laptop for a limited set of tasks. I know =
of a
> number including tech proj managers, a personnel type & a couple =
of
> others (one v. senior) who have done exactly that. The key
> difference is
> that they always have their "laptop" with them.
>=20
> In the pub, thin of something, reach in paocket & take =
note/contact
> someone, on train...etc.etc.etc.
>=20
> Try making notes with a laptop on the underground & then try =
with a
> smartphone.
>=20
> It's so lovely to see a MS person arguing in favour of the big =
machines.
>=20
> Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If nokia is used to =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I can use a bluetooth or =
connected=20
keyboard with my phone if I wish. I have no interest. In =
particular=20
it would just be more bulky stuff to carry defeating the primary value = to me
of=20
the smartphone. Even with this the display is tiny and a whole = slew
of=20
other laptop features which I use are missing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I have a smartphone and =
laptop and you=20
do not. Let's wait until you get both and then you can report back = on
your=20
personal usage and when and where you use one or both.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Adam Flinton" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A>> = wrote
in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net">news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Rich=20
wrote:<BR>> You really must be an idiot. =
Why is it=20
a problem that carriers <BR>> choose what they offer and end users =
choose=20
what they buy? To the <BR>> extent you believe this is a =
problem, why=20
isn't it a problem for everyone?<BR>> <BR><BR>Not everyone is =
used to=20
being a monopoly & to controlling the=20
market.<BR><BR><BR>> Your belief that folks will =
switch=20
from laptops to smartphones is <BR>> really based on your claim =
that=20
executives can't easily take notes with <BR>> a laptop on the=20
underground. That's it? <BR><BR>Nope it's about easy access etc. =
Much=20
more than simply notes on an <BR>underground. That's just one example. =
The=20
smartphone is always on & <BR>ready to go & in your pocket. =
The laptop=20
is in it's carry bag powered <BR>off. Which offers greater=20
functionality?<BR><BR><BR>> Nothing about display size, <BR>> =
keyboard,=20
mouse? Your second point that if a smartphone is ever useful =
<BR>>=20
than that is enough. Silly.<BR>><BR><BR>Mouese & keyboard =
-=20
bluetooth/usb. I have seen a number of people <BR>tapping away on fold =
up=20
bluetooth keyboards.<BR><BR><BR>> I have both a =
smartphone and=20
a laptop. I use them both at different <BR>> times. =
What about=20
you?<BR>> <BR><BR>I have a laptop for work. I looked at =
smartphones=20
& realised that I <BR>actively like being out of touch at times. =
However I=20
do use the nokia to <BR>hook into my imap/smtp server at home. However =
music=20
player & fm radio <BR>answers most of my needs.<BR><BR>Work want =
me to get=20
a smartphone & I am resisting.<BR><BR>Most others have them & =
I am=20
accused of being a luddite.<BR><BR>However I realise than in 2 years =
or so the=20
smartphone will be the pc <BR>for the masses.<BR><BR>Look at all the =
various=20
studies which show that most people want/need a <BR>spreadsheet, word=20
processor, email, im & web browser & then look at <BR>where=20
smartphones are now & where they will =
be.<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR>>=20
Rich<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Adam =
Flinton"=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A><BR>&g=
t; =20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A=
>>>=20
wrote in message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net">news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
Rich wrote:<BR>> =
> I=20
have no idea where your nonsense about Microsoft having=20
a<BR>> =20
problems<BR>> > with smartphones =
came=20
from.<BR>> <BR>> ROFL. Ah dear me tetchy =
tetchy=20
tetchy. Rich you should learn to =
follow<BR>> the=20
"first engage brain then mouth" rule.<BR>> =
<BR>> =20
The problem MS have with smnartphones is not technical, it's the=20
fact<BR>> that they are at the mercy of the =
network=20
operators & what they choose<BR>> to=20
offer.<BR>> <BR>> If vodafone decide to =
offer=20
five models of Nokia smartphone & =
one<BR>> =20
Pocket<BR>> PC then that's vodafone's=20
choice.<BR>> <BR>> > I'll =
ignore=20
that.<BR>> <BR>> Of course you will as =
you have=20
little clue about market realities.<BR>>=20
<BR>> > Feel free to=20
start<BR>> > another thread but =
remember=20
to include some support for your=20
opinion.<BR>> > <BR>>=20
<BR>> Feel free to hop on one leg singing =
"I'm a=20
little teapot" but remember<BR>> to try =
& use=20
at least one leg.<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> =20
> There is one opinion of yours to which I will=20
reply.<BR>> <BR>> I am honoured. Oh how =
I shall=20
recount this to my grandchildren.<BR>>=20
<BR>> > You wrote=20
"All<BR>> > that is missing now is =
the=20
hook up to an external display + a=20
larger<BR>> > screen size =
driver." I=20
disagree.<BR>> <BR>> I'm sure you do as =
frankly=20
if laptop users turn into smartphone =
users<BR>> =20
your company is shafted.<BR>> =
<BR>> >=20
There is quite a bit more laptop<BR>> =
>=20
functionality missing from smartphones.<BR>>=20
<BR>> Such as?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Bluetooth? Wifi? Web browser? Excel? =
Word?=20
USB?<BR>> <BR>> > Now if =
you used=20
your laptop for<BR>> > a limited =
set of=20
tasks only may get away from it but then you=20
should<BR>> > have switched to a =
PDA when=20
they became available.<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
<BR>> Most execs use their laptop for a =
limited set=20
of tasks. I know of a<BR>> number including =
tech=20
proj managers, a personnel type & a couple=20
of<BR>> others (one v. senior) who have =
done=20
exactly that. The key<BR>> difference=20
is<BR>> that they always have their =
"laptop" with=20
them.<BR>> <BR>> In the pub, thin of =
something,=20
reach in paocket & take =
note/contact<BR>> =20
someone, on train...etc.etc.etc.<BR>> =
<BR>> Try=20
making notes with a laptop on the underground & then try with=20
a<BR>> smartphone.<BR>>=20
<BR>> It's so lovely to see a MS person =
arguing in=20
favour of the big machines.<BR>> <BR>> =20
Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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