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Text 448, 227 rader
Skriven 2004-09-06 07:01:50 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 442 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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   Not true at all.  It only requires the sender domain to publish a =
record and recipient to implement it.  The recipient cares about no = other
senders or even if the sender implements the checks.

   Look no further than mike miller for an example of it working without =
everyone using it.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c6666$2@w3.nls.net...
  It's the design that I'm bitching about because it's designed not to =
work
  unless everyone uses it.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abe42@w3.nls.net...
     It does what it is supposed to.  You keep claiming it is supposed =
to do
  something else of your imagination and then whine that it doesn't do =
what you
  imagined.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413a11ca$1@w3.nls.net...
    I never said there is no value in SPF, for someone like AOL, Yahoo, =
MSN, etc.
  I
    would imagine it has great value as for a target like them even a =
small drop
  in
    backscatter can mean a significant load decrease.

    But if you look at it as a technology, it's sort of like a gate =
without a
    fence. Great so it blocks the sidewalk but I can just go around it.

    Geo.


    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4139f6f3$1@w3.nls.net...
       The normally not so bright folks at the register are not someone =
I would
    suggest you use for support.  That they make up their own claims and =
attack
    them doesn't make their claims anything other than their own.  Maybe =
you like
    the article because you often do the same.  mike already gave you =
one
  valuable
    and positive result.  Why do you feel compelled to whine that there =
is no
  value
    in this?

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4139b3a7@w3.nls.net...
      "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
      news:1mnhj01s3a2al9heaohoeqa3hmiu6c22rh@4ax.com...

      > Thought you might like this one:
      > =
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/03/email_authentication_spam/

      Yes I saw that yesterday. This is what I have tried to explain to =
Rich,
  that
      because spammers have unlimited supply of domains they can easily =
get
  around
      spf so it will have no effect or perhaps a positive effect on the =
spammers.
    All
      SPF is designed to do is stop people from sending as your domain =
and even
    that
      is lame because it doesn't depend on your using SPF but instead =
depends on
      everyone else in the world using SPF.

      It could have been so much more if it only had been spec'd to work =
for the
    PRT
      domain instead of the name domain.


      Geo.




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Not true at all.&nbsp; It =
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implement it.&nbsp; The recipient cares about no other senders or even = if
the=20
sender implements the checks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Look no further than mike =
miller for=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c6666$2@w3.nls.net">news:413c6666$2@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>It's=20
  the design that I'm bitching about because it's designed not to =
work<BR>unless=20
  everyone uses it.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message =
<A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413abe42@w3.nls.net">news:413abe42@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  It does what it is supposed to.&nbsp; You keep claiming it is supposed =
to=20
  do<BR>something else of your imagination and then whine that it =
doesn't do=20
  what you<BR>imagined.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413a11ca$1@w3.nls.net">news:413a11ca$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  I never said there is no value in SPF, for someone like AOL, Yahoo, =
MSN,=20
  etc.<BR>I<BR>&nbsp; would imagine it has great value as for a target =
like them=20
  even a small drop<BR>in<BR>&nbsp; backscatter can mean a significant =
load=20
  decrease.<BR><BR>&nbsp; But if you look at it as a technology, it's =
sort of=20
  like a gate without a<BR>&nbsp; fence. Great so it blocks the sidewalk =
but I=20
  can just go around it.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" =
&lt;@&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4139f6f3$1@w3.nls.net">news:4139f6f3$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The normally not so bright folks at the register are not someone I=20
  would<BR>&nbsp; suggest you use for support.&nbsp; That they make up =
their own=20
  claims and attack<BR>&nbsp; them doesn't make their claims anything =
other than=20
  their own.&nbsp; Maybe you like<BR>&nbsp; the article because you =
often do the=20
  same.&nbsp; mike already gave you one<BR>valuable<BR>&nbsp; and =
positive=20
  result.&nbsp; Why do you feel compelled to whine that there is=20
  no<BR>value<BR>&nbsp; in this?<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Geo." &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4139b3a7@w3.nls.net">news:4139b3a7@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:1mnhj01s3a2al9heaohoeqa3hmiu6c22rh@4ax.com">news:1mnhj01s3a2=
al9heaohoeqa3hmiu6c22rh@4ax.com</A>...<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt; Thought you might like this one:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/03/email_authentication_spam=
/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/03/email_authentication_spam/</A>=
<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Yes I saw that yesterday. This is what I have tried to explain to=20
  Rich,<BR>that<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; because spammers have unlimited =
supply of=20
  domains they can easily get<BR>around<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; spf so it =
will=20
  have no effect or perhaps a positive effect on the spammers.<BR>&nbsp; =

  All<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SPF is designed to do is stop people from =
sending as=20
  your domain and even<BR>&nbsp; that<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is lame =
because it=20
  doesn't depend on your using SPF but instead depends =
on<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  everyone else in the world using SPF.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It =
could have=20
  been so much more if it only had been spec'd to work for the<BR>&nbsp; =

  PRT<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; domain instead of the name=20
  domain.<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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