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Text 468, 153 rader
Skriven 2004-09-06 09:34:52 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 455 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from publishing =
his specification?

   Or are you just whining again that your imagined claims are flawed?

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net...
  No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a =
spam
  stopping technology which it is not, because they use the existence of =
an SPF
  text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned that
  they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and that's =
exactly
  what is happening.

  The flip side of the coin is that SPF was designed to prevent =
backscatter
  "attacks" but these weren't really attacks, the spammers just need a =
way to
  redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing to =
stop them
  from continuing to do that.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net...
     so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed =
to change
  the records to allow spam from his domain?

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net...
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abecc@w3.nls.net...

    >>   Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are actually doing =
what
  george
    claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX =
records at
  your
    SMTP server?  This latter should be simple to verify since the NDRs =
you
  receive
    would be for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see =
their MX
    records.<<

    What the spammers are doing is following their spambots with dynamic =
spf DNS
    entries.

    Geo.



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; So then you =
do&nbsp;believe that mike=20
miller has benefited from publishing his specification?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Or are you just whining =
again that=20
your imagined claims are flawed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>No,=20
  I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a=20
  spam<BR>stopping technology which it is not, because they use the =
existence of=20
  an SPF<BR>text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers =
have=20
  learned that<BR>they can reduce their scores by providing that text =
record and=20
  that's exactly<BR>what is happening.<BR><BR>The flip side of the coin =
is that=20
  SPF was designed to prevent backscatter<BR>"attacks" but these weren't =
really=20
  attacks, the spammers just need a way to<BR>redirect backscatter away =
from=20
  themselves and SPF provides nothing to stop them<BR>from continuing to =
do=20
  that.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed to=20
  change<BR>the records to allow spam from his =
domain?<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  "Geo." &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net">news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413abecc@w3.nls.net">news:413abecc@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are =
actually=20
  doing what<BR>george<BR>&nbsp; claimed which is to create their own =
domains=20
  and point their MX records at<BR>your<BR>&nbsp; SMTP server?&nbsp; =
This latter=20
  should be simple to verify since the NDRs you<BR>receive<BR>&nbsp; =
would be=20
  for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see their =
MX<BR>&nbsp;=20
  records.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>&nbsp; What the spammers are doing is =
following their=20
  spambots with dynamic spf DNS<BR>&nbsp; entries.<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
Geo.<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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