Text 4840, 233 rader
Skriven 2005-06-11 16:55:50 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 4839 av Randy (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: switching employers
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Interesting but a side topic. Despite mike miller's attempts at =
spin, I commented on where people go. I fully expect him to continue to = make
insinuations regarding why people go without him knowing any of the = people
about which he is making claims.
As for where to go, someone is more likely to go 5 miles away with =
only a change of commute than 1000 miles away and being uprooted. = Google is
close. Some of my friends and I joke about it because they = are within
walking distance.
Rich
"Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42ab6ffa@w3.nls.net...
That could be one of many reasons--why do people leave any work =
environment?
While money may be a big part of it, there are other reasons, too-they =
don't=20
feel their skills are being utilized to their fullest, they aren't =
being=20
challenged, they feel they are not being listened to, they don't like =
the=20
direction the company is being taken, they don't want to play the =
corporate=20
political game, they may have problems with their immediate manager; =
they=20
may have issues totally unrelated to the work....
What I think you are seeing is the fact that now software engineering =
is not=20
the glamour job it used to be, thanks in no small part to the =
perceived -or=20
real- threat of offshoring.
All other things being equal (both tangible and intangible), if I have =
a SE=20
making $120K here in the US, and I get the same performance and result =
out=20
of an Indian SE for $45K, what do you do?
There are now reports coming out of India where call-center personnel =
are=20
leaving in high numbers, due to abuse of US and UK customers =
transacting=20
business with companies that have outsourced to India.
There are a lot of dynamics at play here.
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
news:i4lla1lvjl9mcj1pa37j21nqevgnidfr2n@4ax.com...
>
> Soounds more like rationalization than explanation.
>
> I agree though that they were looking for change. The Microsoft =
people
> who went to Google were looking for a change, from a stagnant =
company
> whose best years have passed by; to a vibrant, growing company =
that's
> just beginning.
>
> /m
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:18:21 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>
>> Interest in google is easy to explain. For people looking for a =
change=20
>> but do not want to uproot themselves and move there are few high =
tech=20
>> businesses in the area particularly those that treat there =
employees as=20
>> well as Microsoft does. In the past people have might have gone to =
>> amazon or real or other local outfits. During the boom many went =
to=20
>> startups but you see less of that now that the idea of startups =
isn't as=20
>> popular.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:v1dka151rpc6lk6pbmo5p2ra8vcjo8mos4@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> Probably due to the stress caued by Microsoft's problems hiring of =
late,
>> and Google becoming the destination for Microsoft talent. Well I =
guess
>> that happens when you've trained your workforce to expect to be =
paid by
>> the stock market.
>>
>> /m
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Interesting but a =
side=20
topic. Despite mike miller's attempts at spin, I commented on = where
people=20
go. I fully expect him to continue to make insinuations regarding =
why=20
people go without him knowing any of the people about which he is making =
claims.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As for where to go, =
someone is more=20
likely to go 5 miles away with only a change of commute than 1000 miles = away
and=20
being uprooted. Google is close. Some of my friends and I = joke
about=20
it because they are within walking distance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Randy" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42ab6ffa@w3.nls.net">news:42ab6ffa@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Th=
at=20
could be one of many reasons--why do people leave any work=20
environment?<BR><BR>While money may be a big part of it, there are =
other=20
reasons, too-they don't <BR>feel their skills are being utilized to =
their=20
fullest, they aren't being <BR>challenged, they feel they are not =
being=20
listened to, they don't like the <BR>direction the company is being =
taken,=20
they don't want to play the corporate <BR>political game, they may =
have=20
problems with their immediate manager; they <BR>may have issues =
totally=20
unrelated to the work....<BR><BR>What I think you are seeing is the =
fact that=20
now software engineering is not <BR>the glamour job it used to be, =
thanks in=20
no small part to the perceived -or <BR>real- threat of =
offshoring.<BR><BR>All=20
other things being equal (both tangible and intangible), if I have a =
SE=20
<BR>making $120K here in the US, and I get the same performance and =
result out=20
<BR>of an Indian SE for $45K, what do you do?<BR><BR>There are now =
reports=20
coming out of India where call-center personnel are <BR>leaving in =
high=20
numbers, due to abuse of US and UK customers transacting <BR>business =
with=20
companies that have outsourced to India.<BR><BR>There are a lot of =
dynamics at=20
play here.<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:i4lla1lvjl9mcj1pa37j21nqevgnidfr2n@4ax.com">news:i4lla1lvjl9=
mcj1pa37j21nqevgnidfr2n@4ax.com</A>...<BR>><BR>>=20
Soounds more like rationalization than explanation.<BR>><BR>> I =
agree=20
though that they were looking for change. The Microsoft =
people<BR>>=20
who went to Google were looking for a change, from a stagnant =
company<BR>>=20
whose best years have passed by; to a vibrant, growing company =
that's<BR>>=20
just beginning.<BR>><BR>> /m<BR>><BR>><BR>> On =
Fri, 10=20
Jun 2005 23:18:21 -0700, "Rich" <@>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Interest in google is easy to=20
explain. For people looking for a change <BR>>> but do not =
want to=20
uproot themselves and move there are few high tech <BR>>> =
businesses in=20
the area particularly those that treat there employees as <BR>>> =
well as=20
Microsoft does. In the past people have might have gone to =
<BR>>>=20
amazon or real or other local outfits. During the boom many went =
to=20
<BR>>> startups but you see less of that now that the idea of =
startups=20
isn't as <BR>>>=20
popular.<BR>>><BR>>>Rich<BR>>><BR>>> =
"Mike '/m'"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:v1dka151rpc6lk6pbmo5p2ra8vcjo8mos4@4ax.com">news:v1dka151rpc=
6lk6pbmo5p2ra8vcjo8mos4@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=
; =20
Probably due to the stress caued by Microsoft's problems hiring of=20
late,<BR>>> and Google becoming the destination for =
Microsoft=20
talent. Well I guess<BR>>> that happens when you've =
trained=20
your workforce to expect to be paid by<BR>>> the stock=20
market.<BR>>><BR>>> /m<BR>>=20
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