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Skriven 2005-06-19 13:06:06 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5170 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Everyone should take a pay cut
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From: "Rich" <@>
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This discussion was about cost, specifically how the cost of labor =
has increased even while technology has allowed the cost of hardware =
production such as RAM and hard disks to decrease dramatically. If your =
intent was to twist this into a discussion of the economics of pricing =
strategies than you should have said so. I think the ideas you have = posted
on the subject are silly and naive.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42b59735$1@w3.nls.net...
Yes, it took a while before I realized you had distracted me away from =
the selling price into this cost justification line of bullshit. Nobody =
prices software based on what it costs to produce.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42b4fc68$1@w3.nls.net...
Is there a reason you are changing the topic again other than =
your inability to defend your previous assertions?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42b4f585@w3.nls.net...
Nonsense, you put up this big argument about how software pricing =
is justified by development costs, so explain the cost difference = between
Windows NTworkstation and Windows NT server. It's the same = frellin code
except for a few registry entries and a handful of = utilities, remember those
versions? Server cost about 8x what = workstation cost at the time and advanced
server was like 3x the cost of = server. Compare XP home to XP pro, they
actually had to do MORE work to = create the Home version from the pro version
yet it costs less. Why does = a 5 user version of server cost less than a 25
user version, did it cost = more to develop, are there fewer man years in the 5
user version?
Software pricing has nothing to do with costs, it is priced like =
used cars, whatever they can sucker people into paying is the price.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42b3ae07@w3.nls.net...
New software is not less expensive. Let's say you simply =
wanted to create a product that was competitive with what existed 10 = years
ago instead of competitive with today's software. It will cost = more than it
did to produce 10 years ago because for as many man years = as it takes to
produce those man years cost more today. It won't take = you fewer man years
to produce.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This discussion was about =
cost,=20
specifically how the cost of labor has increased even while technology = has=20
allowed the cost of hardware production such as RAM and hard disks to =
decrease=20
dramatically. If your intent was to twist this into a discussion = of
the=20
economics of pricing strategies than you should have said so. I = think
the=20
ideas you have posted on the subject are silly and naive.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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bullshit. Nobody prices software based on what it costs to=20
produce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Is there a reason you =
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assertions?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nonsense, you put up this big =
argument about=20
how software pricing is justified by development =
costs, so=20
explain the cost difference between Windows NTworkstation and =
Windows NT=20
server. It's the same frellin code except for a few registry =
entries and a=20
handful of utilities, remember those versions? Server cost about =
8x what=20
workstation cost at the time and advanced server was like 3x the =
cost of=20
server. Compare XP home to XP pro, they actually had to do MORE =
work to=20
create the Home version from the pro version yet it costs less. =
Why does a=20
5 user version of server cost less than a 25 user version, did it =
cost=20
more to develop, are there fewer man years in the 5 user=20
version?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Software pricing has nothing to =
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costs, it is priced like used cars, whatever they can sucker =
people=20
into paying is the price.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> New software is =
not less=20
expensive. Let's say you simply wanted to create a product =
that=20
was competitive with what existed 10 years ago instead of =
competitive=20
with today's software. It will cost more than it did to =
produce 10=20
years ago because for as many man years as it takes to produce =
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