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Ärende: Re: Everyone should take a pay cut
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Expensive is subjective. As I demonstrated to you with real world =
examples of Microsoft Office and Microsoft SQL Server, both are less =
expensive in current dollars than they were years ago which makes them = even
less expensive in inflation adjusted dollars, both are much more = functional
than the old products with which you compare them, and the = cost to produce
these has increased. If you feel they were expensive in = the past and despite
the price decrease remain so you are free to.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42b5fba1@w3.nls.net...
Yes it was about the cost of hardware vs the cost of software and why =
hardware has gotten so much cheaper while software has remained = expensive.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42b5cf39@w3.nls.net...
This discussion was about cost, specifically how the cost of =
labor has increased even while technology has allowed the cost of = hardware
production such as RAM and hard disks to decrease dramatically. =
If your intent was to twist this into a discussion of the economics of =
pricing strategies than you should have said so. I think the ideas you = have
posted on the subject are silly and naive.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42b59735$1@w3.nls.net...
Yes, it took a while before I realized you had distracted me away =
from the selling price into this cost justification line of bullshit. = Nobody
prices software based on what it costs to produce.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42b4fc68$1@w3.nls.net...
Is there a reason you are changing the topic again other than =
your inability to defend your previous assertions?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42b4f585@w3.nls.net...
Nonsense, you put up this big argument about how software =
pricing is justified by development costs, so explain the cost = difference
between Windows NTworkstation and Windows NT server. It's the = same frellin
code except for a few registry entries and a handful of = utilities, remember
those versions? Server cost about 8x what = workstation cost at the time and
advanced server was like 3x the cost of = server. Compare XP home to XP pro,
they actually had to do MORE work to = create the Home version from the pro
version yet it costs less. Why does = a 5 user version of server cost less than
a 25 user version, did it cost = more to develop, are there fewer man years in
the 5 user version?
Software pricing has nothing to do with costs, it is priced =
like used cars, whatever they can sucker people into paying is the = price.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42b3ae07@w3.nls.net...
New software is not less expensive. Let's say you simply =
wanted to create a product that was competitive with what existed 10 = years
ago instead of competitive with today's software. It will cost = more than it
did to produce 10 years ago because for as many man years = as it takes to
produce those man years cost more today. It won't take = you fewer man years
to produce.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Expensive is =
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Microsoft=20
SQL Server, both are less expensive in current dollars than they were = years
ago=20
which makes them even less expensive in inflation adjusted dollars, both =
are=20
much more functional than the old products with which you compare them, = and
the=20
cost to produce these has increased. If you feel they were = expensive
in=20
the past and despite the price decrease remain so you are free=20
to.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes it was about the cost of hardware =
vs the cost=20
of software and why hardware has gotten so much cheaper while software =
has=20
remained expensive.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This discussion was =
about cost,=20
specifically how the cost of labor has increased even while =
technology has=20
allowed the cost of hardware production such as RAM and hard disks =
to=20
decrease dramatically. If your intent was to twist this into a =
discussion of the economics of pricing strategies than you should =
have said=20
so. I think the ideas you have posted on the subject are silly =
and=20
naive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, it took a while before I =
realized you=20
had distracted me away from the selling price into this cost =
justification=20
line of bullshit. Nobody prices software based on what it costs to =
produce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Is there a reason =
you are=20
changing the topic again other than your inability to defend =
your=20
previous assertions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nonsense, you put up this big =
argument=20
about how software pricing is justified =
by development=20
costs, so explain the cost difference between Windows =
NTworkstation=20
and Windows NT server. It's the same frellin code except for a =
few=20
registry entries and a handful of utilities, remember those =
versions?=20
Server cost about 8x what workstation cost at the time and =
advanced=20
server was like 3x the cost of server. Compare XP home to XP =
pro, they=20
actually had to do MORE work to create the Home version from =
the pro=20
version yet it costs less. Why does a 5 user version of server =
cost=20
less than a 25 user version, did it cost more to develop, are =
there=20
fewer man years in the 5 user version?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Software pricing has nothing =
to do with=20
costs, it is priced like used cars, whatever they can =
sucker=20
people into paying is the price.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> New software =
is not less=20
expensive. Let's say you simply wanted to create a =
product=20
that was competitive with what existed 10 years ago instead =
of=20
competitive with today's software. It will cost more =
than it=20
did to produce 10 years ago because for as many man years as =
it=20
takes to produce those man years cost more today. It =
won't=20
take you fewer man years to=20
=
produce.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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