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Text 5392, 133 rader
Skriven 2005-06-25 18:18:50 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5390 av John Beckett (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   I don't see an easy answer.  The issue is not that users are warned =
when there is no reason too, it's that they got lucky.  A better analogy = than
a combination lock is Russian roulette.  It's always dangerous = which is why
there is a warning.  What would you do?

   On a related note, how do you make a user that just wants things to =
"work" and clicks OK because it doesn't "work" if he makes another = choice to
care about such choices?  You can remove the choice which is = the position
taken with Outlook and dangerous attachments.  There were = plenty that
complained including folks here when that happened.

Rich

  "John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message =
news:42bdfb5b.1877780@216.144.1.254...
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42bde926$1@w3.nls.net>:
  > Whether or not people reinstall or use firewalls makes no difference
  > when users go out of their way to infect themselves.  Antivirus and=20
  > antispyware applications that use rules to block user action can =
help=20
  > here but those won't block something they don't know about and if =
they=20
  > do warn the user and require confirmation likely many users will =
approve=20
  > that just as they confirmed their action when warned for the initial =

  > download attempt.

  Very true.

  And the reason that people would have clicked OK to bypass the =
security
  warnings is that they have clicked similar stupid messages a thousand
  times with no bad side effects.

  The stupidity prize here is earned by the far-sighted designers who =
put a
  combination time bomb in the hands of the gullible. You can twirl the
  combination 999 times with no problem. The thousandth attempt blows =
your
  hands off.

  John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't see an easy=20
answer.&nbsp;&nbsp;The issue is&nbsp;not that users are warned =
when&nbsp;there=20
is no reason too, it's that they got lucky.&nbsp; A better analogy than = a=20
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why=20
there is a warning.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What would =
you=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; On a related note, how do =
you make a=20
user that just wants things to "work" and clicks OK because it doesn't = "work"
if=20
he makes another choice to care about such choices?&nbsp; You can remove =
the=20
choice which is the position taken with Outlook and dangerous =
attachments.&nbsp;=20
There were plenty that complained including folks here when that=20
happened.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"John Beckett" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
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t;:<BR>&gt;=20
  Whether or not people reinstall or use firewalls makes no =
difference<BR>&gt;=20
  when users go out of their way to infect themselves.&nbsp; Antivirus =
and=20
  <BR>&gt; antispyware applications that use rules to block user action =
can help=20
  <BR>&gt; here but those won't block something they don't know about =
and if=20
  they <BR>&gt; do warn the user and require confirmation likely many =
users will=20
  approve <BR>&gt; that just as they confirmed their action when warned =
for the=20
  initial <BR>&gt; download attempt.<BR><BR>Very true.<BR><BR>And the =
reason=20
  that people would have clicked OK to bypass the security<BR>warnings =
is that=20
  they have clicked similar stupid messages a thousand<BR>times with no =
bad side=20
  effects.<BR><BR>The stupidity prize here is earned by the far-sighted=20
  designers who put a<BR>combination time bomb in the hands of the =
gullible. You=20
  can twirl the<BR>combination 999 times with no problem. The thousandth =
attempt=20
  blows your<BR>hands off.<BR><BR>John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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