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Skriven 2005-07-02 09:58:24 av Geo (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5570 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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No, winnuke, slammer, and msblast didn't require you to do anything = before
allowing anonymous remote users to screw with your machine. = That's what I was
trying to point out, even without a user at all the = software has never been
"sufficient".
If the guys from eeye wrote worms instead of worked to secure windows, = what
do you think would be happening to your sufficient software? I'll = give you a
clue, read the first 3 exploitable yet still unpatched = problems they've
recently found listed here =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
Perhaps I should suggest to Marc that he release exploit code to prove = how
sufficient the software is?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c62188@w3.nls.net...
Winnuke forced you to download what you hoped were pictures of J Lo =
and to ignore the warning that this may be unsafe and to run the program = you
were actually downloading? That is amazing! How many of your = machines are
infected with trojans? How often does this happen to you? = Would a different
color icon help you?
Rich
p.s. I think read all as text is ridiculous. I would agree entirely =
it is the kind of silly nonsense you like that distracts from any real = issue.
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42c603ae$1@w3.nls.net...
No it hasn't been sufficient, winnuke was proof of that, slammer =
proved it again, and msblast proved it yet again. And then there are the =
"features" that promote even more of this nonsense, like allowing a = website
to change my homepage or add itself to my bookmarks because of = some
misleading link on the page that says <back> or something.
This stupid computer can question every time I hit cancel the damn =
spellcheck but it can't ask me if I really wanted to change my homepage = via a
link on an untrusted zone site? And then on top of that no = programmer in the
IE group has ever thought to add a "lock homepage via = password" feature?
Sufficient, jesus, how many years did it take to get "read all as =
text" added to OE?
Rich, as a friend, you need to get away from work for a couple =
months because if you honestly believe that, you've really been buried = in
that place too long.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c41d63$1@w3.nls.net...
There is but the problem here with the users and there really =
isn't any room for improvement in them. The software has been = sufficient for
you to avoid getting all your machine infected.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42c3c886$3@w3.nls.net...
Gee Rich, for years you come across like there is no room for =
improvement in any piece of software.
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No, winnuke, slammer, and msblast =
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machine. That's what I was trying to point out, even without a user at = all
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software has never been "sufficient".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the guys from eeye wrote worms =
instead of worked=20
to secure windows, what do you think would be happening to your = sufficient=20
software? I'll give you a clue, read the first 3 exploitable yet still =
unpatched=20
problems they've recently found listed here <A=20
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps I should suggest to Marc that =
he release=20
exploit code to prove how sufficient the software is?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Winnuke forced you to =
download what=20
you hoped were pictures of J Lo and to ignore the warning that this =
may be=20
unsafe and to run the program you were actually downloading? =
That is=20
amazing! How many of your machines are infected with =
trojans? How=20
often does this happen to you? Would a different color icon help =
you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>p.s. I think read all as text =
is=20
ridiculous. I would agree entirely it is the kind of silly =
nonsense you=20
like that distracts from any real issue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No it hasn't been sufficient, =
winnuke was proof=20
of that, slammer proved it again, and msblast proved it yet again. =
And then=20
there are the "features" that promote even more of this nonsense, =
like=20
allowing a website to change my homepage or add itself to my =
bookmarks=20
because of some misleading link on the page that says <back> =
or=20
something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This stupid computer can question =
every time I=20
hit cancel the damn spellcheck but it can't ask me if I really =
wanted to=20
change my homepage via a link on an untrusted zone site? And then on =
top of=20
that no programmer in the IE group has ever thought to add a "lock =
homepage=20
via password" feature?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sufficient, jesus, how many years =
did it take=20
to get "read all as text" added to OE?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich, as a friend, you need to get =
away from=20
work for a couple months because if you honestly believe that, =
you've really=20
been buried in that place too long.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> There is but the =
problem here=20
with the users and there really isn't any room for improvement in=20
them. The software has been sufficient for you to avoid =
getting all=20
your machine infected.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gee Rich, for years you come =
across like=20
there is no room for improvement in any piece of =
software.</FONT></DIV>
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