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Skriven 2005-07-02 20:25:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5615 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Adults can't be trusted with knives
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From: "Rich" <@>
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No. It's like putting knives in the drawer for knives. If someone =
wants a knife they will do what it takes to get one.
Again, you are an ISP. Why don't you "fix" this. You knowingly =
allow virus, trojans, and other malicious packages to travel over the =
networks you supply to and manage for your customers and yet you do = nothing
about it. Why?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42c754b3@w3.nls.net...
No I don't want to make it so difficult as to discourage all users, I =
just don't want dangerous things shoved in the users face, that's like =
putting knives in the toybox instead of in the knife draw.
Yes I know some will still infect themselves, but if they know how to =
open a password infected zip file they can figure out that it was a = virus and
clean their computers.
As for finding where they saved a file, it's a simple enough test, if =
they find it then it's ok to let them infect themselves. It's the ones = who
can't find it that will be protected by removing the "open" choice = when
downloading.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c728fc$1@w3.nls.net...
So of the models I have discussed with John you believe the =
middle one, make the steps required so difficult as to discourage users = from
completing the task they want to. Do you remember that some of = these people
still infected themselves when they received a password = protected ZIP file
via email, saved the ZIP file, extracted it with = password, found and ran the
trojan just extracted?
On a similar note, why do you think that someone that ignored the =
warnings to open a file will not be able to find what they saved and = open it
while those that do understand the risk and not being fooled = will have no
trouble finding and opening the file they saved?
If you think you need protection from new or clueless users, why =
don't you in your role as ISP block access to any unsafe content until = your
customers demonstrate to you that they are capable of exercising = good
judgement?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42c702ec$1@w3.nls.net...
Hell yes I want the ability to download from the web and I'm =
certainly not suggesting removing that ability, but at the same time I = don't
believe there should be a choice of save to disk or open, get rid = of the open
choice. Force users to learn how to navigate a disk tree and = figure out where
the hell they downloaded something to.
That minimal requirement would stop the newest users in their =
tracks. You wouldn't have computers getting infected by totally (and I = do
mean TOTALLY) clueless users.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c6d606@w3.nls.net...
? Answer the question. Do you want the ability to download =
from the web to be unavailable to you and everyone else because some = users do
stupid things?
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> No. It's like =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Again, you are an =
ISP. Why don't=20
you "fix" this. You knowingly allow virus, trojans, and other =
malicious packages to travel over the networks you supply to and manage = for
your=20
customers and yet you do nothing about it. Why?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No I don't want to make it so =
difficult as to=20
discourage all users, I just don't want dangerous things shoved in the =
users=20
face, that's like putting knives in the toybox instead of in the knife =
draw.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes I know some will still infect =
themselves, but=20
if they know how to open a password infected zip file they can figure =
out that=20
it was a virus and clean their computers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for finding where they saved a =
file, it's a=20
simple enough test, if they find it then it's ok to let them infect=20
themselves. It's the ones who can't find it that will be protected by =
removing=20
the "open" choice when downloading.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> So of the models I =
have discussed=20
with John you believe the middle one, make the steps required so =
difficult=20
as to discourage users from completing the task they want to. =
Do you=20
remember that some of these people still infected themselves when =
they=20
received a password protected ZIP file via email, saved the ZIP =
file,=20
extracted it with password, found and ran the trojan just=20
extracted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> On a similar note, why =
do you=20
think that someone that ignored the warnings to open a file will not =
be able=20
to find what they saved and open it while those that do understand =
the risk=20
and not being fooled will have no trouble finding and opening the =
file they=20
saved?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If you think you need =
protection=20
from new or clueless users, why don't you in your role as ISP block =
access=20
to any unsafe content until your customers demonstrate to you that =
they are=20
capable of exercising good judgement?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hell yes I want the ability to =
download from=20
the web and I'm certainly not suggesting removing that ability, =
but at the=20
same time I don't believe there should be a choice of save to disk =
or=20
open, get rid of the open choice. Force users to learn how to =
navigate a=20
disk tree and figure out where the hell they downloaded something=20
to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That minimal requirement would =
stop=20
the newest users in their tracks. You wouldn't have =
computers=20
getting infected by totally (and I do mean TOTALLY) clueless=20
users.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> ? Answer the =
question. Do you want the ability to download from the web =
to be=20
unavailable to you and everyone else because some users do =
stupid=20
things?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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