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Text 5693, 327 rader
Skriven 2005-07-05 17:03:04 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5692 av Randy (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   This could be funny.  Since you dispute that a counter example =
disproves a false assertion, can you please post your proof for the = opposite.
 I bet it is a hoot.

Rich

  "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42cb1267@w3.nls.net...
  Nope-it just shows that when faced when proving something you know you =
can't prove, you attack the poster.=20
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42cb1088@w3.nls.net...
       Only one counter example is required to disprove a false =
assertion.  Maybe you should give yourself a refresher on basic logic.

    Rich

      "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42cb0191@w3.nls.net...
      2 datapoints out of millions is statistically insigificant, =
therefore insufficient. Since you have failed to prove you assertion, = this
thread ends.

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42cab5ea@w3.nls.net...
           If proof is insufficient they you will never be satisfied.  =
You may as well join mike miller in his spin.

        Rich

          "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42ca8208@w3.nls.net...
          Still insufficient.=20
            "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42ca00ea@w3.nls.net...
               Proof by example.  People here other than I have done it. =
 Haven't you?

            Rich

              "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42c9d965@w3.nls.net...
              Sice you haven't proven it the answer is still no.

              "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c9b036@w3.nls.net...
                   The answer to his question is yes so by your =
definition it is also spin, spin, spin.

                Rich

                  "Randy" <@> wrote in message =
news:42c9748c@w3.nls.net...
                  It's not spin if this does happen. So far, you haven't =
proven that it doesn't.
                    "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42be01f9$1@w3.nls.net...
                       Spin, spin, spin.  How very typical mike miller.

                    Rich

                      "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:jsvrb1lgj40fibn8e53pkn96m98oos4p78@4ax.com...

                      Yup.  The question is: can you install Windows on =
a PC that is connected
                      to the internet via broadband, and get that system =
patched before it is
                      infested?

                        /m

                      On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:27:30 -0400, "Tony =
Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net>
                      wrote:

                      >So?  That means nothing if they're exploited =
within a matter of minutes
                      >anyway.
                      >
                      >"Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42bde926$1@w3.nls.net...

                         Did you read the article lead in that was =
posted.  Let me quote it again

                        For thousands of Internet users, the offer =
seemed all too alluring: revealing pictures of Jennifer Lopez, available = at a
mere click of the mouse.

                        But the pictures never appeared. The offer was a =
ruse, and the click downloaded software code that turned the user's = computer
into a launching pad for Internet warfare.


                      Whether or not people reinstall or use firewalls =
makes no difference when users go out of their way to infect themselves. =
 Antivirus and antispyware applications that use rules to block user =
action can help here but those won't block something they don't know = about
and if they do warn the user and require confirmation likely many = users will
approve that just as they confirmed their action when warned = for the initial
download attempt.

                      Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; This could be funny.&nbsp; =
Since you=20
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post=20
your proof for the opposite.&nbsp; I bet it is a hoot.</FONT></DIV><FONT =

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<DIV><BR>Rich</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42cb1267@w3.nls.net">news:42cb1267@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Nope-it just shows that when faced when proving =
something=20
  you know you can't prove, you attack the poster. </FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42cb1088@w3.nls.net">news:42cb1088@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only one counter =
example is=20
    required to disprove a false assertion.&nbsp; Maybe you should give =
yourself=20
    a refresher on basic logic.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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      <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42cb0191@w3.nls.net">news:42cb0191@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>2 datapoints out of millions is statistically=20
      insigificant, therefore insufficient. Since you have failed to =
prove you=20
      assertion, this thread ends.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42cab5ea@w3.nls.net">news:42cab5ea@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If proof is =
insufficient they=20
        you will never be satisfied.&nbsp; You may as well join mike =
miller in=20
        his spin.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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          <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42ca8208@w3.nls.net">news:42ca8208@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Still insufficient. </FONT></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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            <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
            =
href=3D"news:42ca00ea@w3.nls.net">news:42ca00ea@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Proof by =
example.&nbsp;=20
            People here other than I have done it.&nbsp; Haven't=20
            you?</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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              <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:42c9d965@w3.nls.net">news:42c9d965@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sice you haven't proven it the answer =
is still=20
              no.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:42c9b036@w3.nls.net">news:42c9b036@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
              <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The answer =
to his=20
                question is yes so by your definition it is also spin, =
spin,=20
                spin.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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                  <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                  =
href=3D"news:42c9748c@w3.nls.net">news:42c9748c@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>It's not spin if this does happen. =
So far,=20
                  you haven't proven that it doesn't.</FONT></DIV>
                  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                    =
href=3D"news:42be01f9$1@w3.nls.net">news:42be01f9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Spin, =
spin,=20
                    spin.&nbsp; How very typical mike =
miller.</FONT></DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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                      <DIV>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
                      =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt;=20
                      wrote in message <A=20
                      =
href=3D"news:jsvrb1lgj40fibn8e53pkn96m98oos4p78@4ax.com">news:jsvrb1lgj40=
fibn8e53pkn96m98oos4p78@4ax.com</A>...</DIV><BR>Yup.&nbsp;=20
                      The question is: can you install Windows on a PC =
that is=20
                      connected<BR>to the internet via broadband, and =
get that=20
                      system patched before it =
is<BR>infested?<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
                      /m<BR><BR>On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:27:30 -0400, =
"Tony=20
                      Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
                      =
href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt;<BR>wrote:<BR>=
<BR>&gt;So?&nbsp;=20
                      That means nothing if they're exploited within a =
matter of=20
                      minutes<BR>&gt;anyway.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;"Rich" =
&lt;@&gt;=20
                      wrote in message <A=20
                      =
href=3D"news:42bde926$1@w3.nls.net">news:42bde926$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=

                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Did =
you read the=20
                      article lead in that was posted.&nbsp; Let me =
quote it=20
                      again</FONT></DIV>
                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 =
size=3D2>For thousands=20
                        of Internet users, the offer seemed all too =
alluring:=20
                        revealing pictures of Jennifer Lopez, available =
at a=20
                        mere click of the mouse.</FONT></DIV>
                        <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000>But the=20
                        pictures never appeared. The offer was a ruse, =
and the=20
                        click downloaded software code that turned the =
user's=20
                        computer into a launching pad for Internet=20
                        warfare.</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whether or not =
people=20
                      reinstall or use firewalls makes no difference =
when users=20
                      go out of their way to infect themselves.&nbsp; =
Antivirus=20
                      and antispyware applications that use rules to =
block user=20
                      action can help here but those won't block =
something they=20
                      don't know about and if they do warn the user and =
require=20
                      confirmation likely many users will approve that =
just as=20
                      they confirmed their action when warned for the =
initial=20
                      download attempt.</FONT></DIV>
                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
                  =
size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQ=
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