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Text 6023, 129 rader
Skriven 2005-07-14 10:12:10 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6003 av John Beckett (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   It's true so why is it hard for you to believe.  Do you believe they =
have not released instructions on how to create malware?  Do you believe = that
their press releases containing this information and advertising = their
products are not for their own financial gain?

   I don't want to convince you of what the world would be like if eeye =
did not exist.  It's not the point anyway.  The comparison would be if = eeye
didn't take their irresponsible actions.  They could continue doing = anything
positive like reporting problems to vendors.

Rich

  "John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message =
news:eudcd1hgmf4fbangaf0mkqa5lk8317j0pi@4ax.com...
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42d60c91@w3.nls.net>:
  > First, you fail to separate their self-serving and irresponsible =
behavior
  > of providing instructions on how to create malware and doing
  > something positive like reporting found issues to the vendor.
  >  It is the former behavior that causes great damage to the public =
and
  > all the worse because they do it for their own financial gain.

  You seem to have repeated this sufficiently often that you actually
  believe it!

  To convince me, you would have to provide evidence of how secure my
  computers would be now, if eeye and others of their kind had NOT =
existed.
  That's a pretty hard ask, requiring a time machine and more - so I =
guess
  the question will be unresolved, and it will come down to opinion.

  For the lurkers, I will repeat that I believe eeye has made my =
computers
  MORE secure, at the cost of script kiddie type attacks. A small enough
  price to pay since no one else was going to motivate Microsoft to give
  attention to security in preference to short-term "conquer the world"
  goals.

  John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It's true so why is it =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't want to convince =
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the world would be like if eeye did not exist.&nbsp; It's not the point=20
anyway.&nbsp; The comparison would be if eeye didn't take their =
irresponsible=20
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problems to vendors.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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puserve.com.omit</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
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and=20
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  vendor.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; It is the former behavior that causes great =
damage to=20
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often that=20
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provide=20
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others of=20
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time=20
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it will=20
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believe=20
  eeye has made my computers<BR>MORE secure, at the cost of script =
kiddie type=20
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