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Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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I didn't say I have no clue, I said to prove it I would have to convince = them
to do it.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d69d63@w3.nls.net...
Again, it is your claim. If you have no clue then why did you make =
your bogus claim? Why do you continue to do so?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d690e2@w3.nls.net...
They only way to prove that would be to get eeye to release a virus =
for each of the as yet unpatched exploits they list on their unpublished =
list. I think it's pretty unlikely I could convince them to do that. = However
once the patches are released and Microsoft admits that these = are remote
anonymous root exploits that should be sufficient proof for = anyone but you.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5ef53@w3.nls.net...
You made a claim that 95% of computers are vulnerable to the =
point that eeye could own them. Unless you are ready to admit that you = were
bullshitting you would be able to tell us to which I am vulnerable. =
In fact given your claimed expertise I expect you to say exactly which =
and how. I don't think you can because you were bullshitting. I don't =
expect you to admit it.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d5ec90@w3.nls.net...
Well then you would only be vulnerable to some of these for =
which there are no patches yet =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
Which ones would depend on what you have installed.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5449b$1@w3.nls.net...
Assume I am running Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 =
SP1 with updates from Windows Update.
Kaiser is not 95% of computers and from what Ellen says =
virtually none of their machines have Internet access.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d51209@w3.nls.net...
You don't really think all I know about eeye is from their =
website do you?
As for your specific machines it's hard to say as I don't =
know what you run on them, but I do know all the thousands of desktop =
machines at Kaiser are susceptable to them. Surely Kaiser numbers make = you
irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d4bcad$1@w3.nls.net...
What do you think you can decide from their public =
relations pages? Tell me, how many of my machines are affected by each = of
their claims?
you need to get over your idol worship and pay =
attention to the damage they cause with their irresponsible self-serving =
behavior.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net...
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html
those are published and patched
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
those are unpublished and as yet unpatched
Read it and decide for yourself.
Geo.
"John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> =
wrote in message
news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com...
> "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net>:
> > You should remember that this is true only in =
george's imagination.
>
> Perhaps the 95% is an exaggeration. But there have =
been many examples (I
> think starting with the IIS debacles) that show that =
eeye could have owned
> an extremely large number of computers if Microsoft =
had not changed its
> "release when it's good enough" attitude.
>
> John
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say I have no clue, I said to =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Again, it is your =
claim. If=20
you have no clue then why did you make your bogus claim? Why do =
you=20
continue to do so?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They only way to prove that would =
be to get=20
eeye to release a virus for each of the as yet unpatched exploits =
they list=20
on their unpublished list. I think it's pretty unlikely I could =
convince=20
them to do that. However once the patches are released and Microsoft =
admits=20
that these are remote anonymous root exploits that should be =
sufficient=20
proof for anyone but you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You made a claim =
that 95% of=20
computers are vulnerable to the point that eeye could own =
them. =20
Unless you are ready to admit that you were bullshitting you would =
be able=20
to tell us to which I am vulnerable. In fact given your =
claimed=20
expertise I expect you to say exactly which and how. I don't =
think=20
you can because you were bullshitting. I don't expect you to =
admit=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well then you would only be =
vulnerable to=20
some of these for which there are no patches yet <A=20
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href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which ones would depend on what =
you have=20
installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Assume I am =
running Windows=20
XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 with updates from Windows=20
Update.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Kaiser is not =
95% of=20
computers and from what Ellen says virtually none of their =
machines=20
have Internet access.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You don't really think all =
I know about=20
eeye is from their website do you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for your specific =
machines it's hard=20
to say as I don't know what you run on them, but I do know =
all the=20
thousands of desktop machines at Kaiser are susceptable to =
them.=20
Surely Kaiser numbers make you irrelevant for the purposes =
of this=20
discussion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> What do you =
think you=20
can decide from their public relations pages? Tell =
me, how=20
many of my machines are affected by each of their=20
claims?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> you need to =
get over=20
your idol worship and pay attention to the damage they =
cause with=20
their irresponsible self-serving behavior.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
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href=3D"news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net">news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV><A=
=20
=
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html">http://w=
ww.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
are published and patched<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
are unpublished and as yet unpatched<BR><BR>Read it and =
decide=20
for yourself.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"John =
Beckett"=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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bg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net">news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net</A>&g=
t;:<BR>>=20
> You should remember that this is =
true=20
only in george's imagination.<BR>><BR>> Perhaps =
the 95% is=20
an exaggeration. But there have been many examples =
(I<BR>>=20
think starting with the IIS debacles) that show that =
eeye could=20
have owned<BR>> an extremely large number of =
computers if=20
Microsoft had not changed its<BR>> "release when it's =
good=20
enough" attitude.<BR>><BR>>=20
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John<BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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