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Skriven 2005-07-15 13:42:56 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 6071 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Why do you think non-technical users will see a difference because =
you use different equipment for email than you do for other parts of the =
network?
ISPs should strive to secure their customers and when it comes to =
email you have stated that you attempt to do so. It is your business = and you
are free to pick and choose if and when you protect your paying = customers.
You should just acknowledge that you do make this choice and = that your
choices are pretty much arbitrary.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d8197d$1@w3.nls.net...
Come on Rich, nobody thinks like that. Spam and email virus exploit =
email so are blocked at the mail server, if the ISP hosts the mail then = the
ISP blocks it, if the user hosts their own mail then it's their = problem. Same
with worms, they exploit the machines, the ISP secures the = web server hosting
the user's homepage but the user secures their = personal computer.
Other types of attacks like spoofed traffic, smurf attacks and such =
are network exploits and are blocked at the network.
Why should every ISP on the planet be responsible for securing =
Microsoft's products? That's typical, make it the responsibility of = anyone
but microsoft, huh? Call anyone who tells people about exploits = irresponsible
like finding an exploit is bad, blame the network admin = for not blocking all
bad traffic without defining bad traffic, blame the = user for clicking on an
attachment that came from someone he knows after = telling him to not trust
email from people he doesn't know, blame people = for not knowing how to get to
windowsupate without getting wormed after = telling them it's really simple
just turn on automatic updates, add a = "popup blocker" after making popups
possible, man what a scam.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d72f66@w3.nls.net...
Windows XP without SP2 is still trivial. SP2 CDs are free and =
have been. See =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/de=
fault.mspx.
I think from real people you will find that they do not consider =
receiving attacks from the ISP's controlled network acceptable, = particular
with a lame excuse such as the one you give that the network = is functioning
as intended when it allows them to be attacked. Just = like they don't care
that your email servers deliver spam and viruses to = them because it is
functioning as intended. Oh wait, you don't appear = to believe the latter
either so you are a hypocrite too.
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Why do you think =
non-technical users=20
will see a difference because you use different equipment for email than = you
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> ISPs should strive to =
secure their=20
customers and when it comes to email you have stated that you attempt to =
do=20
so. It is your business and you are free to pick and choose if and =
when=20
you protect your paying customers. You should just acknowledge = that you
do=20
make this choice and that your choices are pretty much =
arbitrary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Come on Rich, nobody thinks like =
that. Spam and=20
email virus exploit email so are blocked at the mail server, if =
the ISP=20
hosts the mail then the ISP blocks it, if the user hosts their own =
mail then=20
it's their problem. Same with worms, they exploit the machines, the=20
ISP secures the web server hosting the user's homepage but the =
user=20
secures their personal computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other types of attacks like spoofed =
traffic,=20
smurf attacks and such are network exploits and are blocked at the=20
network.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why should every ISP on the planet be =
responsible=20
for securing Microsoft's products? That's typical, make it the =
responsibility=20
of anyone but microsoft, huh? Call anyone who tells people about =
exploits=20
irresponsible like finding an exploit is bad, blame the network =
admin for=20
not blocking all bad traffic without defining bad traffic, blame the =
user for=20
clicking on an attachment that came from someone he knows after =
telling him to=20
not trust email from people he doesn't know, blame people for not =
knowing how=20
to get to windowsupate without getting wormed after telling them it's =
really=20
simple just turn on automatic updates, add a "popup blocker" after =
making=20
popups possible, man what a scam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42d72f66@w3.nls.net">news:42d72f66@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Windows XP without SP2 =
is still=20
trivial. SP2 CDs are free and have been. See <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/=
en_us/default.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/=
sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx</A>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I think from real =
people you will=20
find that they do not consider receiving attacks from the ISP's =
controlled=20
network acceptable, particular with a lame excuse such as the one =
you give=20
that the network is functioning as intended when it allows them to =
be=20
attacked. Just like they don't care that your email servers =
deliver=20
spam and viruses to them because it is functioning as =
intended. =20
Oh wait, you don't appear to believe the latter either so you are a=20
hypocrite too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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