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Text 641, 162 rader
Skriven 2004-09-18 21:53:44 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 639 av Don Hills (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   We are discussing a document that grants rights to the licensee that =
are otherwise not granted.  It takes no rights away.  Exactly the same = model
of the gpl and many other licenses.

   Now with that out of the way, if you want legal advice you should =
always ask a lawyer.  If you want to have an intellectual discussion, = you
just need an intellect.  Maybe this explains your refusal to even = read the
document about which you are making claims.

   I didn't meant to imply you are untrustworthy, only that anything you =
post on legal topics is untrustworthy, by your own claims.  You claim = you are
not competent enough to even read or understand a very simple = document.

Rich

  "Don Hills" <dmhills@attglobal.net> wrote in message =
news:6qNTBtgaXWCV092yn@attglobal.net...
  In article <414c8a44$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >   For legal advice always go to a lawyer whether discussing a legal
  >document or simply the weather.  That doesn't excuse your refusal to
  >even read the document you have been making claims about.  In fact, =
it
  >makes you a hypocrit since your excuse is that you are not a lawyer =
and
  >therefore nothing you write or repeat is trustworthy, right?

  We're discussing a legal document (license) that seeks to limit the =
rights
  of anyone who agrees to it(*). Thus, the advice to have it interpreted =
by a
  lawyer is valid and proper. I don't need to read it, in the same way =
as I
  don't have to inspect the pipes and foundations of a house I may buy - =
I
  pay an inspector / valuer to do that.

  As for the hypocritical angle, you're simply wrong. I'm not a lawyer, =
but
  all that means is that you shouldn't depend on me for legal advice. It =
has
  nothing to do with my trustworthiness in other matters. For example, I
  usually trust you on matters of Microsoft product technical details. =
If you
  say "Registry setting (blah) does this", I don't dive into the technet =
and
  manuals to see if you're trustworthy.

  (*) There's nothing wrong with that, provided that you fully =
understand and
  accept the implications and effects of agreeing to it.

  --=20
  Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand
  It's ironic that people who are too smart to engage in politics
  are governed by people who are not as smart.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; We are discussing a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Now with that out of the =
way, if you=20
want legal advice you should always ask a lawyer.&nbsp; If you want to = have
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explains=20
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claims.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I didn't meant to imply =
you are=20
untrustworthy, only that anything you post on legal topics is = untrustworthy,
by=20
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or=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:dmhills@attglobal.net">dmhills@attglobal.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
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lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
  article &lt;<A=20
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"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; For legal advice always go to a =
lawyer=20
  whether discussing a legal<BR>&gt;document or simply the =
weather.&nbsp; That=20
  doesn't excuse your refusal to<BR>&gt;even read the document you have =
been=20
  making claims about.&nbsp; In fact, it<BR>&gt;makes you a hypocrit =
since your=20
  excuse is that you are not a lawyer and<BR>&gt;therefore nothing you =
write or=20
  repeat is trustworthy, right?<BR><BR>We're discussing a legal document =

  (license) that seeks to limit the rights<BR>of anyone who agrees to =
it(*).=20
  Thus, the advice to have it interpreted by a<BR>lawyer is valid and =
proper. I=20
  don't need to read it, in the same way as I<BR>don't have to inspect =
the pipes=20
  and foundations of a house I may buy - I<BR>pay an inspector / valuer =
to do=20
  that.<BR><BR>As for the hypocritical angle, you're simply wrong. I'm =
not a=20
  lawyer, but<BR>all that means is that you shouldn't depend on me for =
legal=20
  advice. It has<BR>nothing to do with my trustworthiness in other =
matters. For=20
  example, I<BR>usually trust you on matters of Microsoft product =
technical=20
  details. If you<BR>say "Registry setting (blah) does this", I don't =
dive into=20
  the technet and<BR>manuals to see if you're trustworthy.<BR><BR>(*) =
There's=20
  nothing wrong with that, provided that you fully understand =
and<BR>accept the=20
  implications and effects of agreeing to it.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don=20
  Hills&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (dmhills at =
attglobaldotnet)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Wellington, New Zealand<BR>It's ironic that people who are too smart =
to engage=20
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