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Text 653, 152 rader
Skriven 2004-09-19 11:20:54 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 646 av Don Hills (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Again, you give up no rights.  You can keep trying to claim otherwise =
but it would still be false.  Even your claims regarding other people's = legal
interpretation are suspect.  I've seen several of these complaint = and the
complaints are not that any rights are given up but that they = are complaining
that they should be entitled to even more royalty free = rights.  Pity for
them.

   You did say you did not need to.  You claimed that you are not a =
lawyer and not competent to discuss the document hence your lack of need = to
even read it first.

Rich

  "Don Hills" <dmhills@attglobal.net> wrote in message =
news:G6TTBtgaX+nb092yn@attglobal.net...
  In article <414d0f0e$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >   We are discussing a document that grants rights to the licensee =
that
  >are otherwise not granted.  It takes no rights away.  Exactly the =
same
  >model of the gpl and many other licenses.

  In the sense that if you agree to the license you can use the code, as
  distinct from not being able to use the code if you don't agree to the
  license terms. The trouble is that if you do agree to the license you =
are
  constrained from other courses of action. These constraints have been =
well
  documented by experts.

  >   Now with that out of the way, if you want legal advice you should
  >always ask a lawyer.  If you want to have an intellectual discussion,
  >you just need an intellect.  Maybe this explains your refusal to even
  >read the document about which you are making claims.

  Now the insult card is played.
  Why should I bark when I have a dog?

  >   I didn't meant to imply you are untrustworthy, only that anything =
you
  >post on legal topics is untrustworthy, by your own claims.

  I have no argument with that.

  > You claim you are not competent enough to even read or understand a =
very
  >simple document.

  You're welcome to try and quote where I made that second claim. You'll =
find
  that I said that I didn't need to, not that I wasn't competent to.

  --=20
  Don Hills
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, you give up no =
rights.&nbsp;=20
You can keep trying to claim otherwise but it would still be = false.&nbsp;
Even=20
your claims regarding other people's legal interpretation are =
suspect.&nbsp;=20
I've seen several of these complaint and the complaints are not that any =
rights=20
are given up but that they are complaining that they should be entitled = to
even=20
more royalty free rights.&nbsp; Pity for them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You did say you did not =
need to.&nbsp;=20
You claimed that you are not a lawyer and not competent to discuss the =
document=20
hence your lack of need to even read it first.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:dmhills@attglobal.net">dmhills@attglobal.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:G6TTBtgaX+nb092yn@attglobal.net">news:G6TTBtgaX+nb092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
  article &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:414d0f0e$1@w3.nls.net">414d0f0e$1@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;, =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; We are discussing a document that =
grants=20
  rights to the licensee that<BR>&gt;are otherwise not granted.&nbsp; It =
takes=20
  no rights away.&nbsp; Exactly the same<BR>&gt;model of the gpl and =
many other=20
  licenses.<BR><BR>In the sense that if you agree to the license you can =
use the=20
  code, as<BR>distinct from not being able to use the code if you don't =
agree to=20
  the<BR>license terms. The trouble is that if you do agree to the =
license you=20
  are<BR>constrained from other courses of action. These constraints =
have been=20
  well<BR>documented by experts.<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Now with that =
out of=20
  the way, if you want legal advice you should<BR>&gt;always ask a =
lawyer.&nbsp;=20
  If you want to have an intellectual discussion,<BR>&gt;you just need =
an=20
  intellect.&nbsp; Maybe this explains your refusal to even<BR>&gt;read =
the=20
  document about which you are making claims.<BR><BR>Now the insult card =
is=20
  played.<BR>Why should I bark when I have a =
dog?<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
  didn't meant to imply you are untrustworthy, only that anything=20
  you<BR>&gt;post on legal topics is untrustworthy, by your own =
claims.<BR><BR>I=20
  have no argument with that.<BR><BR>&gt; You claim you are not =
competent enough=20
  to even read or understand a very<BR>&gt;simple =
document.<BR><BR>You're=20
  welcome to try and quote where I made that second claim. You'll =
find<BR>that I=20
  said that I didn't need to, not that I wasn't competent to.<BR><BR>-- =
<BR>Don=20
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