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Skriven 2005-08-27 11:06:18 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 6742 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: TPM
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From: "Rich" <@>
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You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one. If you =
just want a smartcard you could have had one for years. A TPM builtin =
provides other benefits.
Rich
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message =
news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net...
> VT is virtualization.
Yep, know that, it's my specialty.
>LT is security. Neither is what george likes to call DRM.
True.
>What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card like=20
>functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) >provided by a =
TPM=20
>chip.
That's the one I don't like. A smartcard idea I maybe could live =
with, but=20
it would have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable =
between machines. Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever =
machine I=20
happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a =
specific=20
piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more than =
just one=20
key.
- Bob Comer
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net...
VT is virtualization. LT is security. Neither is what george =
likes to=20
call DRM. What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart =
card=20
like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) provided by =
a TPM=20
chip.
Rich
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message=20
news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net...
Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do =
about it
either -- it's for the masses to decide about.
For now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it. I =
don't do
any media other than broadcast TV on my PC. I'll probably get a new
processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that =
doesn't
mean I have to allow the DRM part to make any difference to what I =
want to
do.
Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS company that will =
emerge
to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed =
until
everyone else catches up and they revolt.
- Bob Comer
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net...
> All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology=20
companies
> can enforce more restrictions on how we use technology in order to =
extort
> more money for the same shit.
>
> Once it becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS =
without
> upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your =
computer
> without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be =
able=20
to
> resist the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows =
should
> allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I somehow =
think
> that's the kind of limitations we are headed for.
>
> Intel is going to have to include that type of tech to make Apple =
happy,
> especially in light of the recent news that OSX was running on non =
Apple
> PC's already...
>
> Geo.
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:430eed74@w3.nls.net...
>> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware =
for
> palladium
>> just like intel did.
>>
>> - Bob Comer
>
>
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<DIV>"Robert Comer" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>> = wrote
in=20
message <A=20
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href=3D"news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net">news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>> =20
VT is virtualization.<BR><BR>Yep, know that, it's my =
specialty.<BR><BR>>LT=20
is security. Neither is what george likes to call=20
DRM.<BR><BR>True.<BR><BR>>What he tries to spin as something =
sinister is=20
the smart card like <BR>>functionality (e.g. secure storage, =
hardware=20
crypto) >provided by a TPM <BR>>chip.<BR><BR>That's the one I =
don't=20
like. A smartcard idea I maybe could live with, but <BR>it =
would=20
have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable =
<BR>between=20
machines. Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever machine I =
<BR>happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a =
specific=20
<BR>piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more =
than just=20
one <BR>key.<BR><BR>- Bob Comer<BR><BR><BR>"Rich" <@> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net">news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p; =20
VT is virtualization. LT is security. Neither is what =
george likes=20
to <BR>call DRM. What he tries to spin as something sinister is =
the=20
smart card <BR>like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware =
crypto)=20
provided by a TPM <BR>chip.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR> "Robert Comer" =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>> = wrote
in=20
message <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about=20
it<BR> either -- it's for the masses to decide =
about.<BR><BR> For=20
now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it. I =
don't=20
do<BR> any media other than broadcast TV on my PC. I'll =
probably=20
get a new<BR> processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and =
yes, DRM,=20
but that doesn't<BR> mean I have to allow the DRM part to make =
any=20
difference to what I want to<BR> do.<BR><BR> Eventually =
there will=20
probably be some computer/OS company that will <BR>emerge<BR> to =
satisfy=20
our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed =
until<BR> =20
everyone else catches up and they revolt.<BR><BR> - Bob=20
Comer<BR><BR><BR><BR> "Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
> All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology=20
<BR>companies<BR> > can enforce more restrictions on how we =
use=20
technology in order to <BR>extort<BR> > more money for the =
same=20
shit.<BR> ><BR> > Once it becomes possible to =
prevent you=20
from upgrading your OS without<BR> > upgrading your computer, =
or to=20
prevent you from upgrading your computer<BR> > without =
upgrading your=20
OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be able <BR>to<BR> > =
resist=20
the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows =
should<BR> =20
> allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I =
somehow=20
think<BR> > that's the kind of limitations we are headed=20
for.<BR> ><BR> > Intel is going to have to include =
that type=20
of tech to make Apple happy,<BR> > especially in light of the =
recent=20
news that OSX was running on non Apple<BR> > PC's=20
already...<BR> ><BR> > Geo.<BR> ><BR> =
>=20
"Robert Comer" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>> = wrote
in=20
message<BR> > <A=20
=
href=3D"news:430eed74@w3.nls.net">news:430eed74@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;=20
>> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm =
hardware=20
for<BR> > palladium<BR> >> just like intel =
did.<BR> =20
>><BR> >> - Bob Comer<BR> ><BR> =20
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