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Skriven 2005-11-13 12:44:02 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 8172 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Windows Vista video enhancements
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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Icon and thumbnail is async now but wasn't always that way, and even = async
sucks when you are on dialup to the remote machine.

I'm surprised you never noticed the remote drive thing, don't you ever = map
drives and then use the machine when the remote is not available?

Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net...
     Icon and thumbnail extraction is and has been asynchronous.  I do =
not know about remote drives.  I've never noticed anything.

  Rich

    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net...
    It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it took a long time before they =
did anything about it.

    As for vista thumbnails, great, I've seen that in action in XP when =
I would open a directory full of video files and the stupid thing would =
default to thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to display the directory.. = Now
it gets extended to documents and everything else, wonderful I can't = wait.

    You know what would be helpful, if they would multithread the =
explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I have a bunch of = remote
attached drives I don't have to wait for the authentication = before it
populates the window, just show a place holder and let a = separate thread
retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with = what it has now. Have
they added that yet?

    Geo.
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:437408a4@w3.nls.net...
         You must not remember that you have complained to me about this =
many times over the years often together with silly suggestions over how = you
would optimize it.  You have probably forgotten that icon = extraction, which
is not specific to EXEs, was sensitive to link speed.

         I'm sure you will have more reason to complain since in Windows =
Vista there will be more use of thumbnails.  Today you get thumbnails = for an
image file but not a document.  In Windows Vista you should see = thumbnails
for the document too.  From =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx

        Thumbnails=20
        New scalable thumbnails are used throughout Windows to show you =
the actual first page for documents, the actual photo for photos, a = screen
capture for videos, and album art for individual songs. By = previewing the
actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find what = you want more quickly
without the trial-and-error of opening files to = preview them.=20

        You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as live icons; when you =
rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window on the Task Bar; and when = you
flip through open windows using the features codenamed "Flip" and = "Flip 3D".


      Rich


        "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43740176@w3.nls.net...
        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net...

        >>   Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in =
Windows 98 and
        maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000.  You can =
see
        screenshots of a translucent calculator at
        http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp. =
 LDDM is
        more than that.<<

        Yes and it is so typical of the win9x team to go overboard like =
that. Let me
        tell you a little story.

        Back when the newshell was being done, one of the things that =
users asked
        for was better icons. They wanted to see a word doc look =
different from a
        notepad text file (remember the days of program manager/file =
manager?).
        Anyway the guys doing the newshell for win9x went overboard, =
instead of
        standard icons based on file extensions they had to allow =
different icons
        for every .exe file, you know, so notepad.exe could be a notepad =
and
        calc.exe could be a calculator.

        The result was that when you attach to a remote drive and open a =
directory,
        windows has to touch each and every stupid file to retreive the =
icon data if
        available. When newshell came out we called this effect iconitis =
because
        when done over a modem it was painfully slow. Course the guys =
who wrote and
        tested it never noticed because they were all working on the =
newest and
        fastest machines and networks so what would they care?

        How much do you want to bet the same guys worked on Glass? Well =
at least
        it's not something that can't be turned off, guess they did =
learn
        something..

        And there's more, in 1997 when I was at MS trying to give them =
some ideas, I
        described a 3D GUI where not only could you stack icons =
vertically and
        horizontally but I described how I wanted to stack them going =
back into the
        screen (perspective) so you could have a stack of rows that =
looked like a
        file cabinet drawers with just the tabs visible. Functional, =
more icons in
        less space type of stuff. Instead we get glass which requires =
more video cpu
        than is available on systems 8 years later and that stupid XP =
view where
        only 20 icons fit on a full screen open folder?

        Geo. (it's not very functional but it looks sooooooo cool... =
where is my
        2x4..)


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Icon and thumbnail is async now but =
wasn't always=20
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machine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm surprised you never noticed the =
remote drive=20
thing, don't you ever map drives and then use the machine when the = remote is
not=20
available?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net">news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Icon and thumbnail =
extraction is and=20
  has been asynchronous.&nbsp; I do not know about remote drives.&nbsp; =
I've=20
  never noticed anything.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net">news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It wasn't sensitive in the =
newshell, it took a=20
    long time before they did anything about it.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for vista thumbnails, great, =
I've seen that=20
    in action in XP when I would open a directory full of video files =
and the=20
    stupid thing would&nbsp;default to thumbnail view and take 10 =
minutes to=20
    display the directory.. Now it gets extended to documents and =
everything=20
    else, wonderful I can't wait.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know what would be helpful, if =
they would=20
    multithread the explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I =
have a=20
    bunch of remote attached drives I don't have to wait for the =
authentication=20
    before it populates the window, just show a place holder and let a =
separate=20
    thread retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with what it =
has now.=20
    Have they added that yet?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:437408a4@w3.nls.net">news:437408a4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You must not =
remember that you=20
      have complained to me about this many times over the years often =
together=20
      with silly suggestions over how you would optimize it.&nbsp; You =
have=20
      probably forgotten that icon extraction, which is not specific to =
EXEs,=20
      was sensitive to link speed.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure you will =
have more=20
      reason to complain since in Windows Vista there will be more use =
of=20
      thumbnails.&nbsp; Today you get thumbnails for an image file but =
not a=20
      document.&nbsp; In Windows Vista you should see thumbnails for the =

      document too.&nbsp; From <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx">http://www=
.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx</A></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
        <H3><FONT color=3D#008000>Thumbnails </FONT><A =
name=3DThumbnails></A></H3>
        <P><FONT color=3D#008000>New scalable thumbnails are used =
throughout=20
        Windows to show you the actual first page for documents, the =
actual=20
        photo for photos, a screen capture for videos, and album art for =

        individual songs. By previewing the actual contents of a file at =
a=20
        glance, you'll find what you want more quickly without the=20
        trial-and-error of opening files to preview them. </FONT></P>
        <P><FONT color=3D#008000>You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers =
as live=20
        icons; when you rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window =
on the=20
        Task Bar; and when you flip through open windows using the =
features=20
        codenamed "Flip" and "Flip =
3D".</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
        wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:43740176@w3.nls.net">news:43740176@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
ich"=20
        &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net">news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows =
98=20
        and<BR>maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows =
2000.&nbsp; You=20
        can see<BR>screenshots of a translucent calculator at<BR><A=20
        =
href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp">=
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp</A>.&nbsp=
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        LDDM is<BR>more than that.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>Yes and it is so =
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know, so=20
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on a full=20
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  =
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