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Ärende: Re: Windows Vista video enhancements
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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Icon and thumbnail is async now but wasn't always that way, and even = async
sucks when you are on dialup to the remote machine.
I'm surprised you never noticed the remote drive thing, don't you ever = map
drives and then use the machine when the remote is not available?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net...
Icon and thumbnail extraction is and has been asynchronous. I do =
not know about remote drives. I've never noticed anything.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net...
It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it took a long time before they =
did anything about it.
As for vista thumbnails, great, I've seen that in action in XP when =
I would open a directory full of video files and the stupid thing would =
default to thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to display the directory.. = Now
it gets extended to documents and everything else, wonderful I can't = wait.
You know what would be helpful, if they would multithread the =
explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I have a bunch of = remote
attached drives I don't have to wait for the authentication = before it
populates the window, just show a place holder and let a = separate thread
retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with = what it has now. Have
they added that yet?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:437408a4@w3.nls.net...
You must not remember that you have complained to me about this =
many times over the years often together with silly suggestions over how = you
would optimize it. You have probably forgotten that icon = extraction, which
is not specific to EXEs, was sensitive to link speed.
I'm sure you will have more reason to complain since in Windows =
Vista there will be more use of thumbnails. Today you get thumbnails = for an
image file but not a document. In Windows Vista you should see = thumbnails
for the document too. From =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx
Thumbnails=20
New scalable thumbnails are used throughout Windows to show you =
the actual first page for documents, the actual photo for photos, a = screen
capture for videos, and album art for individual songs. By = previewing the
actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find what = you want more quickly
without the trial-and-error of opening files to = preview them.=20
You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as live icons; when you =
rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window on the Task Bar; and when = you
flip through open windows using the features codenamed "Flip" and = "Flip 3D".
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43740176@w3.nls.net...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net...
>> Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in =
Windows 98 and
maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000. You can =
see
screenshots of a translucent calculator at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp. =
LDDM is
more than that.<<
Yes and it is so typical of the win9x team to go overboard like =
that. Let me
tell you a little story.
Back when the newshell was being done, one of the things that =
users asked
for was better icons. They wanted to see a word doc look =
different from a
notepad text file (remember the days of program manager/file =
manager?).
Anyway the guys doing the newshell for win9x went overboard, =
instead of
standard icons based on file extensions they had to allow =
different icons
for every .exe file, you know, so notepad.exe could be a notepad =
and
calc.exe could be a calculator.
The result was that when you attach to a remote drive and open a =
directory,
windows has to touch each and every stupid file to retreive the =
icon data if
available. When newshell came out we called this effect iconitis =
because
when done over a modem it was painfully slow. Course the guys =
who wrote and
tested it never noticed because they were all working on the =
newest and
fastest machines and networks so what would they care?
How much do you want to bet the same guys worked on Glass? Well =
at least
it's not something that can't be turned off, guess they did =
learn
something..
And there's more, in 1997 when I was at MS trying to give them =
some ideas, I
described a 3D GUI where not only could you stack icons =
vertically and
horizontally but I described how I wanted to stack them going =
back into the
screen (perspective) so you could have a stack of rows that =
looked like a
file cabinet drawers with just the tabs visible. Functional, =
more icons in
less space type of stuff. Instead we get glass which requires =
more video cpu
than is available on systems 8 years later and that stupid XP =
view where
only 20 icons fit on a full screen open folder?
Geo. (it's not very functional but it looks sooooooo cool... =
where is my
2x4..)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Icon and thumbnail is async now but =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm surprised you never noticed the =
remote drive=20
thing, don't you ever map drives and then use the machine when the = remote is
not=20
available?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net">news:4374ddbe@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Icon and thumbnail =
extraction is and=20
has been asynchronous. I do not know about remote drives. =
I've=20
never noticed anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net">news:4374785b$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It wasn't sensitive in the =
newshell, it took a=20
long time before they did anything about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for vista thumbnails, great, =
I've seen that=20
in action in XP when I would open a directory full of video files =
and the=20
stupid thing would default to thumbnail view and take 10 =
minutes to=20
display the directory.. Now it gets extended to documents and =
everything=20
else, wonderful I can't wait.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know what would be helpful, if =
they would=20
multithread the explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I =
have a=20
bunch of remote attached drives I don't have to wait for the =
authentication=20
before it populates the window, just show a place holder and let a =
separate=20
thread retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with what it =
has now.=20
Have they added that yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:437408a4@w3.nls.net">news:437408a4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You must not =
remember that you=20
have complained to me about this many times over the years often =
together=20
with silly suggestions over how you would optimize it. You =
have=20
probably forgotten that icon extraction, which is not specific to =
EXEs,=20
was sensitive to link speed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm sure you will =
have more=20
reason to complain since in Windows Vista there will be more use =
of=20
thumbnails. Today you get thumbnails for an image file but =
not a=20
document. In Windows Vista you should see thumbnails for the =
document too. From <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx">http://www=
.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<H3><FONT color=3D#008000>Thumbnails </FONT><A =
name=3DThumbnails></A></H3>
<P><FONT color=3D#008000>New scalable thumbnails are used =
throughout=20
Windows to show you the actual first page for documents, the =
actual=20
photo for photos, a screen capture for videos, and album art for =
individual songs. By previewing the actual contents of a file at =
a=20
glance, you'll find what you want more quickly without the=20
trial-and-error of opening files to preview them. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#008000>You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers =
as live=20
icons; when you rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window =
on the=20
Task Bar; and when you flip through open windows using the =
features=20
codenamed "Flip" and "Flip =
3D".</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43740176@w3.nls.net">news:43740176@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
ich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net">news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
>> =20
Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows =
98=20
and<BR>maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows =
2000. You=20
can see<BR>screenshots of a translucent calculator at<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp">=
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp</A>. =
;=20
LDDM is<BR>more than that.<<<BR><BR>Yes and it is so =
typical of=20
the win9x team to go overboard like that. Let me<BR>tell you a =
little=20
story.<BR><BR>Back when the newshell was being done, one of the =
things=20
that users asked<BR>for was better icons. They wanted to see a =
word doc=20
look different from a<BR>notepad text file (remember the days of =
program=20
manager/file manager?).<BR>Anyway the guys doing the newshell =
for win9x=20
went overboard, instead of<BR>standard icons based on file =
extensions=20
they had to allow different icons<BR>for every .exe file, you =
know, so=20
notepad.exe could be a notepad and<BR>calc.exe could be a=20
calculator.<BR><BR>The result was that when you attach to a =
remote drive=20
and open a directory,<BR>windows has to touch each and every =
stupid file=20
to retreive the icon data if<BR>available. When newshell came =
out we=20
called this effect iconitis because<BR>when done over a modem it =
was=20
painfully slow. Course the guys who wrote and<BR>tested it never =
noticed=20
because they were all working on the newest and<BR>fastest =
machines and=20
networks so what would they care?<BR><BR>How much do you want to =
bet the=20
same guys worked on Glass? Well at least<BR>it's not something =
that=20
can't be turned off, guess they did =
learn<BR>something..<BR><BR>And=20
there's more, in 1997 when I was at MS trying to give them some =
ideas,=20
I<BR>described a 3D GUI where not only could you stack icons =
vertically=20
and<BR>horizontally but I described how I wanted to stack them =
going=20
back into the<BR>screen (perspective) so you could have a stack =
of rows=20
that looked like a<BR>file cabinet drawers with just the tabs =
visible.=20
Functional, more icons in<BR>less space type of stuff. Instead =
we get=20
glass which requires more video cpu<BR>than is available on =
systems 8=20
years later and that stupid XP view where<BR>only 20 icons fit =
on a full=20
screen open folder?<BR><BR>Geo. (it's not very functional but it =
looks=20
sooooooo cool... where is=20
=
my<BR>2x4..)<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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