Text 8793, 173 rader
Skriven 2005-12-23 17:45:52 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 8791 av Don Hills (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Digital media servers, renderers, and control points.
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From: "Rich" <@>
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I agree that non-technical people don't care what is under the hood. =
I don't believe either mike or I even suggested this as relevant. mike =
miller is wrong in his assertion that the mac is ahead of Windows for = simpler
reasons. His only example is available for both. There is no = need to look
further. If you do look further you will find that there = are a number of
products in the same space that not only plug together = but are interoperable
so you can mix and match to suite your needs or = desires.
The apple product is not what I was describing as proprietary. The =
apple protocol is to what I was referring. You can find sites like =
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol that discuss =
reverse engineering it.
The protocols Microsoft's products in this space use along with those =
of other vendors can be found at http://www.dlna.org/. There are around = 250
members. See http://www.dlna.org/about/roster. The DLNA work = builds upon
the older UPnP standards at =
http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp. There are 69 = certified
media servers and 28 certified media renderers. You can find = some at
http://www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices.
Rich
"Don Hills" <black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attglobal.net...
In article <43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> I'm particularly interested in you supporting your claim "Apple =
is
>so far ahead of the Wintel world in this space that it isn't funny". =
I
>suspect you can't. This is likely typical mike miller noise.
I've been looking at the solutions available with the condition that =
they
have to be usable by my young children and non-technical spouse. Once =
I
stopped looking at it from a computing viewpoint and started looking =
at it
from an appliance viewpoint, I realised Mike is right - who cares =
what's
under the lid? It all plugs together and works intuitively, with no =
exposed
rough edges.
Before anyone mentions Linux, there's one problem: I'd have to build =
it, I
can't buy it from my local tech store and plug it in.
Calling the Apple solution proprietary and closed standards may have =
some
validity, but it applies equally to Windows XP MCE. Again, like Mike, =
I feel
Apple is ahead in that their interoperability is better with regards =
to
streaming media to other playback devices while still retaining DRM.
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Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I agree that non-technical =
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suggested this as relevant. mike miller is wrong in his assertion = that
the=20
mac is ahead of Windows for simpler reasons. His only example is =
available=20
for both. There is no need to look further. If you do look =
further=20
you will find that there are a number of products in the same space that =
not=20
only plug together but are interoperable so you can mix and match to = suite
your=20
needs or desires.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The apple product is not =
what I was=20
describing as proprietary. The apple protocol is to what I was=20
referring. You can find sites like <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol">http:=
//www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol</A> that=20
discuss reverse engineering it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The protocols Microsoft's =
products in=20
this space use along with those of other vendors can be found at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.dlna.org/">http://www.dlna.org/</A>. There are =
around 250=20
members. See <A=20
href=3D"http://www.dlna.org/about/roster">http://www.dlna.org/about/roste=
r</A>. =20
The DLNA work builds upon the older UPnP standards at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp">http://www.=
upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp</A>. There=20
are 69 certified media servers and 28 certified media = renderers.
You=20
can find some at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices">http://=
www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices</A>.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Don Hills" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com">black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attglobal.net">news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
article <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net">43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net</A>>, =
"Rich"=20
<@> wrote:<BR>> I'm particularly =
interested=20
in you supporting your claim "Apple is<BR>>so far ahead of the =
Wintel world=20
in this space that it isn't funny". I<BR>>suspect you =
can't. =20
This is likely typical mike miller noise.<BR><BR>I've been looking at =
the=20
solutions available with the condition that they<BR>have to be usable =
by my=20
young children and non-technical spouse. Once I<BR>stopped looking at =
it from=20
a computing viewpoint and started looking at it<BR>from an appliance=20
viewpoint, I realised Mike is right - who cares what's<BR>under the =
lid? It=20
all plugs together and works intuitively, with no exposed<BR>rough=20
edges.<BR><BR>Before anyone mentions Linux, there's one problem: I'd =
have to=20
build it, I<BR>can't buy it from my local tech store and plug it=20
in.<BR><BR>Calling the Apple solution proprietary and closed standards =
may=20
have some<BR>validity, but it applies equally to Windows XP MCE. =
Again, like=20
Mike, I feel<BR>Apple is ahead in that their interoperability is =
better with=20
regards to<BR>streaming media to other playback devices while still =
retaining=20
DRM.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don Hills (dmhills at=20
attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New=20
Zealand<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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