Text 991, 83 rader
Skriven 2004-10-20 22:51:48 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 987 av Gary Wiltshire (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Article on WIPO & the public good
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From: Adam Flinton <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>

Gary Wiltshire wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:06:38 +0100, Adam Flinton
> <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>  wrote:
>
>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:16:13 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>> <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:49:45 -0400, Dave Ings <ings@sympatico.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the sentiment, but I suspect that puts you in the
>>>>>> minority.  I
>>>>>> believe most creative people are driven to create because it's
>>>>>> an    essential
>>>>>> element of who they define themselves to be, and it isn't tied
>>>>>> per  se  to
>>>>>> particular levels of post creation artifact ownership or
>>>>>> compensation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe most engineers exhibit this behavior, especially given how
>>>>>> relatively poorly paid they are compared to other mainstream
>>>>>> professions
>>>>>> (law, medicine, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Oh, I might still create, but I sure won't sell.  Remove
>>>>> protection  and  I'm sure you'll see a steep drop in published
>>>>> works  in all kinds  of  media.  The state doesn't own my house
>>>>> simply  because the police  patrol my  neighborhood.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope but remove the police /state entirely & you might not own the
>>>> house  for very long.
>>>>
>>>> Sticking with the house/knowledge metaphor, the people own it & you
>>>> get  the right to rent it out to others for a set period of time.
>>>
>>>   By your "logic" the state owns my person as well.
>>>
>> Nope because conceivably you are real.
>>
>> Mental constructs such as an idea or a mathematical equation are not
>> real in the way a table or a chair or a house is real.
>>
>> It might be an expression of reality wether it's E=MC2 or "a rose by
>> any  other name" or a great painting etc. but it is a mental construct.
>>
>> Property is real. People can be owned as they are real however that
>> form  of property is now banned in most of the world in statute if not
>> in  reality.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>
> So my house is real too and you claim that "the people" own it.

No I haven't. The people own "intellectual property" because it is a public
good. The people also own "air" because it is a public good. Your house is not
a public good.

It should be noted that "the people" via their duly designated authorities can
requisition/purchase under compulsion your house at will. If your house is on
the route of a new freeway for instance.

> Well,
> FUCK "the people."  Let "the people" pay my mortgage.
>

Well then I lay claim to air so start paying the bill or I'll send people round
to stop you "stealing" air.

Adam

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