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Skriven 2005-03-24 05:26:49 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
  Kommentar till text 10204 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Bo Gritz
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24 Mar 05 02:48, Ed Hulett wrote to Jeff Binkley:

 EH> Jeff Binkley -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RJ>>>>>>> By the way, Commander Codpiece, when governator of Texas,
 RJ>>>>>>> sign a law allowing doctors to "pull the plug" without
 RJ>>>>>>> interference from families, etc. when patients such as
 RJ>>>>>>> Shiavo, are in a persistent vegatative state.

 RJ>>>>>>> Republicans.  They have no shame, they have no morals, they
 RJ>>>>>>> have no ethics.

 RJ>>>>>>> They are the slugs of the political world.

 EC>>>>>> The issue is not pulling the plug.  She can live and breath as
 EC>>>>>> long as she is fed and given water.  If you, Richard Johnson,
 EC>>>>>> were to do without food and water, you would die too.

 JH>>>>> I don't pretend to know what mental condition Terri Schiavo is
 JH>>>>> in at this moment, but one thing I know for sure is the the
 JH>>>>> federal government has absolutely no business getting involved
 JH>>>>> in this issue.

 EC>>>> That has me puzzled.  I can't say with any certainty about her
 EC>>>> condition either.  All I know is what I've heard reported.  On
 EC>>>> the other hand, I can't
 EC>>>> see why the federal government should not get involved with the
 EC>>>> killing of a
 EC>>>> US citizen.

 JH>>>>> As more and more information comes out on what has already been
 EC>>>> through
 JH>>>>> the cuorts, etc., it seems to me that efforts have already been
 EC>>>> made to
 JH>>>>> improve her condition to no avail.  I also have a very hard
 JH>>>>> time believing that if she is even partially conherent, that
 JH>>>>> she wants to continue to live trapped in an unresponsive body,
 JH>>>>> totally dependent on others for everything.  I would not want
 JH>>>>> to live that way, and I don't know anybody who would.  I have
 JH>>>>> left instructions so that such a thing can be done to me.  So
 JH>>>>> have both my parents and my brother.

 EC>>>> That is fine, but it seems a little far fetched to kill someone
 EC>>>> on the basis
 EC>>>> of your preferences.

 JH>>>>> Allowing the feds into this, however, is opening a Pandora's
 JH>>>>> Box that we will regret, no matter what happens to Terri in the
 JH>>>>> end.

 EC>>>> The Pandora's Box I see is the precident that a spouse can have
 EC>>>> the other spouse killed on his say-so.

 EH>>> Michael Shiavo is engaged to another woman -- they live together 
 EH>>> -- they have been engaged for 3 years. All that time he has 
 EH>>> remained married to Terry. His claimed compassion for his wife's 
 EH>>> wishes is nothing more than selfishness. He wants the insuance 
 EH>>> money and the ability to marry his fiance. He's a CAD of the worst 
 EH>>> kind.

 JB>> There are a few other tid bits which have not all come to light 
 JB>> here:

 JB>> 1.  She had no living will, so this is the husband making the 
 JB>> decision.

 EH> Exactly! The husband is acting from selfish motives.

 JB>> 2.  He received a large settlement from the insurance company and 
 JB>> none of it was spent on attempted rehabilitation

 EH> If your wife was in Terri Shiavo's place, would you take any 
 EH> insurance settlement and *not* use it to help her? Most married 
 EH> men would be using every means to help their beloved wife.

 JB>> 3.  He has a girlfriend with a couple of children

 EH> Yes, she is his *fiance* not just his girlfriend. In other words, 
 EH> he apparently plans to practice polygomy.

 JB>> 4.  Convicted felons are given federal judicial review before the 
 JB>> state executes them

 EH> Indeed.

 JB>> 5.  The Florida judge ordered the tube be removed until she is 
 JB>> dead, thus issuing a death warrant.  The limits of his powers 
 JB>> should be to state that the husband's wishes be observed, not 
 JB>> issuing a state order that she be executed.

 EH> That judge had no business ordering her execution.

 EH> The left are quick to say that the government has no place trying 
 EH> to force her feeding tube be reinserted, but they ignore the fact 
 EH> that government (the judge) already put itself in the middle of 
 EH> this.

Need I remind you that even if that federal judge had NOT gotten involved,
Michael already had legal standing to order the tube removed under Florida law.
 It was removed according to the timetable set up by the state, not the federal
govt.

John 

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