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Skriven 2005-05-27 13:19:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ALAN HESS
Ärende: yep, they want peace
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Hello Alan,

>LL>Jordan is not Palestine.

>AH>which was the planned Palestinian state.

>LL>Jordan may be what Israel planned to be the Palestinian state.
>LL>After all, the Jews want *all* of Palestine for themselves,
>LL>leaving none of Palestine for their Muslim and Christian brethren.

AH>(Trans)Jordan plus the West Bank was the Palestinian state outlined
AH>in the 1 Mandate.  Had nothing to do with what Israel wanted, as it
AH>didn't exist when the Mandate was being considered (after the British
AH>gave up their territory.

The British occupied all of Palestine before 1948.  Jews and Muslims
fought against the British for decades, until the British finally left.
Today, Jews and Muslims fight against each other in the land of
Palestine, because the Jews want all of Palestine for themselves.

>AH>Why should the attacked party provide land to a political entity
>AH>that still seeks to destroy the attacked entity?  When the
>AH>Palestinians truly seek peac with Israel, they'll get land for a
>AH>state - history already has shown Israel will trade land for
>AH>peace, as we saw when the Sinai was returned to Egypt.

>LL>The Jews stole the land from the Muslims.  Not the other way around.

AH>The Jews stole no land.

The Jews stole all the land.  How do you think Jews got into Palestine?
Mainly through illegal immigration.  Then, with a significant number of
Jews present in Palestine, the Jews grabbed all the land they could get.
Even after the British were forced to leave.

>LL>Obviously, there can be no peace as long as Jews want all of
>LL>Palestine for themselves.  If Jews want peace, they will have
>LL>to work for justice.  The same for Muslims.  And Christians.

AH>If Jews wanted all the land, they wouldn't offer to trade any in
AH>exchange for peace.  So your premise is false.  *adh*

Palestinian Arabs only want a return to pre-1967 borders.
Unfortunately, Palestinian Jews (who are mainly European Jews
and Russian Jews who emigrated to Israel) refuse to give an
inch, and even grab more land through illegal settlements
in the occupied territories of the West Bank and Golan Heights.
Those illegal settlements are more like towns, with tens of
thousands of residents.  Hardly what anybody else in the world
would call a "settlement".  Of course, the Golan Heights belongs
to Syria. Only recently have the Jews started to withdraw from
settlements in the occupied territory of the Gaza Strip.

Considering that Jews occupy one-third of the Gaza Strip, it may
take them a long time to leave.  But they could leave within a week
if they really wanted to.  And if the Jews really set their minds
to it, they could withdraw from *all* occupied territories within
a month, going back to pre-1967 borders.

--Lee


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