Text 13594, 70 rader
Skriven 2005-06-13 22:49:52 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 13565 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
Ärende: Hatred
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John Hull -> Gary Braswell wrote:

 JH> 12 Jun 05 20:23, Gary Braswell wrote to John Hull:

 JH>  John Hull ->> Ed Hulett wrote:

 JH>>> 09 Jun 05 22:36, Ed Hulett wrote to Gary Braswell:

 EH>>>> Gary Braswell -> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:
 GB>>>>> VERN HUMPHREY -> GARY BRASWELL wrote:

 GB>>>>>>>>> There is a massive difference. Poor analogies.

 VH>>>>>>>> Is there?  Gary, I SAW the graves opened at Hue.

 VH>>>>>>>>>> I've seen what Ho and his minions do, first hand.

 GB>>>>>>>>> Hey, once they fell in with China and Russia, no argument
 GB>>>>>>>>> there.

 VH>>>>>>>> Ho and his party were what they were, and you can't blame
 VH>>>>>>>> China or Russia for it.

 GB>>>>>>> I don't think I did.

 VH>>>>>> My point is, Ho was not a man we could back -- any more than we
 VH>>>>>> could back Hitler or Tojo.

 GB>>>>> We could have, before we even got involved with our own troops.

 EH>>>> When Vern says Ho was not a man we could back, I'd believe him.
 EH>>>> What evidence do you have that we could have backed Ho?

 JH>>> There is none.  Despite the fact that DeGaulle was a pain in the
 JH>>> ass, and the French were less than enthusiastic after the war
 JH>>> about expressing their gratitude to us for liberating their sorry
 JH>>> butts, NATO was of far more importance in stabilizing Europe and
 JH>>> countering the threat of the USSR than some semi-fanatical old man
 JH>>> from Vietnam who was already at odds with the French anyway.

 JH>>> To think that we would have chosen Ho over DeGaulle is ludicrous
 JH>>> on its face.

 GB>> These is indeed evidence we could have backed Ho. Re-establishing
 GB>> the French colonial empire was not high on our list at the time.
 GB>> Backing Ho did not mean we would send troops in to fight the
 GB>> French. There were people in the military at the time, and in the
 GB>> admin. who did not want to back France's colonial escapade.

 JH> You keep forgetting that Truman wanted NATO badly and that without
 JH> France in NATO it wouldn't fly.  DeGaulle wanted Indochina back but
 JH> didn't have any money to do it.  It didn't matter what those in the
 JH> military wanted.  Neither they, nor anybody else, had the horsepower to
 JH> make Truman back down.

 GB>> But the Cold War got rolling....

 JH> Exactly why Truman was so hot to get NATO up and running.  Paying off
 JH> DeGaulle was cheap by any standard.  Ho never even entered into the mix.

 GB>> Its one of those linchpins in history where things could have been
 GB>> different.

 JH> And Ho was just some of the sand that got caught up in the latch and got
 JH> ground up.

I think we are in agreement here.

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