Text 13596, 68 rader
Skriven 2005-06-13 23:02:01 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 13564 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
Ärende: Hatred
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John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:


 EH>>> When Vern says Ho was not a man we could back, I'd believe him.
 EH>>> What evidence do you have that we could have backed Ho?

 GB>> His working with us during WWII against the Chinese, his
 GB>> approaching Claire Chenault who time and again tried to get the US
 GB>> to back Ho against the French trying to re-establish their
 GB>> colonial empire. His desire to emulate the US at that time and
 GB>> establish a democracy.

 JH> He's still stuck on that image of Ho as George Washington that was
 JH> perpetrated by the revisionist historians of the 60's.  Same bunch that

I am?

I challenge you to show where I said this.

What is it with your two?

Continually putting words in my mouth and points I am not making.

Do you want to debate or discuss something or just attribute lies to me?

 JH> gave Kerry a pass during his VVAW days.  Ho didn't give a damn who
 JH> helped him, as long as he got what he needed and there were minimal
 JH> strings attached.  Stalin stepped up and the rest is history.

 GB>> We backed Saddam, Ed, is he any more cuddly than Ho?

 GB>> Ho started to allow/authorize his own people to be murdered in
 GB>> "the cause", among a great many other evils.

 GB>> But at one time, early on, it was different. Ho, at the time he
 GB>> was dealing with Claire Chenault, fully expected the US to back a
 GB>> democracy movement.

 GB>> Then the Cold War set in.

 GB>> Things changed for everyone.

 JH> Gary needs to do some more reading on the 1945-49 period.  Everybody
 JH> fought against the Japs during the war, including Ho, except for a few

Gary has done plenty of reading on the time.

John needs to do more past the political revisionism.


 JH> of communist collaborators.  I had a friend who served in China right
 JH> when the war ended, most of the Japanese troops were paroled and allowed
 JH> to keep their weapons for protection from the Chinese while they waited
 JH> for repatriation.  That's the same time frame when Ho started having
 JH> problems with Chenault, and the nationalists and Mao's tribe starting
 JH> mixing it up.  The few US troops in China and the general area stayed
 JH> out of it for the most part, acting mostly as referees between the
 JH> Chinese and Japanese.  Ho was just another warlord looking for weapons
 JH> and money - one of many from our viewpoint.  Degaulle and Truman had
 JH> already inked the NATO deal by the time Ho ginned up enough gumption to
 JH> ask the US for serious levels of help.

Ho started having problems with Chenault?

What problems?

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